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I've been riding bikes to work every day in a few parts of Europe for about 10 years, including big cities traffic, suburbs and rural areas. I've been doing th
by zobzu 14y ago
I've been riding bikes to work every day in a few parts of Europe for about 10 years, including big cities traffic, suburbs and rural areas.
I've been doing the same in San Francisco for some month recently.
In Europe, everyone treat the bike as a vehicule, no question asked. Everyone knows the hand sign. People get doored, and the like but it's rare. You gotta be more careful in heavy traffic, but basically, when riding, it feels safe in most areas.
Cars will wait behind you when they can't pass super-safely-with-5-meter-distance-from-your-side almost every time.
Nearly everyone of them used a bike and knows how it is, at least, that's the feeling.
Now, fast forward to SF. I was surprised, to say the least.
If there is no bike lane, something like 90% of the cars simply do not give a single shit about bikes. That is, if you're on the rightmost part of the road, they will pass, no matter what (you can choose here: get even more right and risk being doored, the risk is rather high here. slow down to a near halt and go right [that's what I do]. go straight and hear the honk + generally get hit by the rear view mirror.)
Knowing that you can avoid streets without a bike lane, and when forced, take the full lane (you'll hear the honk but you'll live).
Here's one that happened to me recently: some streets in SF have a tram lane and a car lane. No bike lane. car pushed me on the tram lane thinking 'thats where cyclists go'. Tram was coming behind of course. Got to feel the friction of both car and tram. No injuries. Unfortunately I don't have a good alternative route.
Here's another thing that happens everyday:
Car park in the bike lane, so you gotta pass it. Look behind you, car is coming, so you slow down, and let them pass (they will never let you pass). If there is a continuous flow of cars, and it happens, none will let you pass. Most cyclists just pass and assume the driver will slow down (and get angry but hey, you gotta pass some day). Personally, I just wait as long as it takes or walk it on the side walk if its more than a minute.
Pedestrians are no better. They don't cross at red if cars are coming. But they do for bikes. Why the hell? I understand crossing at red when it's safe, don't get me wrong, but don't cross in front of bikes that's extremely dumb.
Cyclists are no better either. 50% (?) ignore the signs and traffic entirely.
That being said I noticed that in some parts of the city this is actually safer to cross at the red light while cars are waiting, than waiting with the cars (in line or slightly in front, although I always go slightly i front to be sure they see me). Sad but true. If you start with the cars, they wont let you start first and thus you may get hit if the bike lane is not wide enough or simply not there.
Even if there is a bike lane, its gone when there's a crossing and drivers naturally push you on the right side for some reason. I still stop at all traffic lights but this is disturbing me a lot lately. Whats the point of respecting the red light in all situations in the US, being killed? and I bet that's why so many ignore them.
Finally, after a few month I personally got "right turned", and broke some bones, hence my super-safe behavior assuming the driver is going to be doing the wrong thing in every situation. Before I would expect that some situations were safe, such as the right turn if you're in front of the cars. But no. They just turn into you even thus they've seen you, because, you're a bike, you'll probably brake in time, plus you should be on the sidewalk, etc.
So yeah, I never cross a street without slowing down a lot if a car is less than 10 meters behind me (and obviously if its next to me or slightly ahead, even thus I'm on a bike lane, although they're supposed to switch lane)
As a last anecdotal story of this very long post, I was also surprised by rainy days. About, let's say, 15% of the cars take the opportunity to splash you when they can. Seriously. My last rainy day in SF, that happened 3 times over my 20min ride back home. The last one the guy stopped and laughed. I was 100% soaked. It means to me that a high enough number of drivers absolutely hate cyclists with passion. WTF is wrong with people?
- carguy1983 14y agoYeah. In Europe, cars treat bikes like vehicles, and bikes treat cars like vehicles. In America, bikers simply do not follow the laws they are supposed to - and neither do cars. It's not really a "bike is victim" paradigm - it's more like nobody pays any attention to the god damn laws, at all. Because the fucking cops don't enforce the rules! They give tickets to speeders and red light runners but NOT - NEVER, in fact, to people who don't signal when turning or changing lanes, people who drive too slowly in the fast lane, people who pass on the right, people who stop in the middle of the street to wait for a parking spot, people who do not use turn lanes appropriately, people who stop at yellow lights, people who drive too slowly, people who do not yield to pedestrians, people who block driveways, people who turn left or U-turn illegally, people who ... the list goes on for miles. Bicycle riders make all these same mistakes as well.
- jmadsen 14y agosorry to break in on the generalizations, but - When I lived in Spain they killed so many cyclists every year, it was the source of macabre jokes. I found that to be true in several other countries. Probably should leave out the "Europe vs US" bit of your argument, and just stick to what you think the causes are.
- zobzu 14y agoYour reply is not directly to me but you're probably right. I used Europe as well as a generalization but there are some exceptions and I didn't bike in every single EU country (for instance, I've never done that in urban areas/traffic in Spain). In general the more south you go the more horrible the driving in EU (yeah another generalization but this one seems pretty good). I've been honk'd heavily in Italy (Naples) once because I was waiting for the traffic light to go green. I thought it must be I missed something but nope.. they just were "never stopping at this one and its bad practice to do so", one guy said.
- zobzu 14y agoI see cops every now and then, and I know how they are feared and hated in the US (it's true in EU as well but not nearly as much). And I was surprised because indeed, they don't ticket anybody. I don't know if ticketing people every time they pass on red, etc would work, but maybe. I know that if I do that in Germany for example and a cop is around I'm going to pay for it every single time.