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'Time is running out': can a future of undetectable deepfakes be avoided?

16 points by namanyayg 3y ago

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qingcharles 3y ago
Short answer: no. Question everything.
- deepsun 3y ago
  "_Betteridge's law of headlines_ is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no." It is named after Ian Betteridge, a British technology journalist who wrote about it in 2009, although the principle is much older."
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morkalork 3y ago
"You furnish the picture and I'll furnish the war" - Randolph Hearst
bloopernova 3y ago
The deepfake nude picture generators aren't going to go away. There needs to be some sort of discussion happening with kids about consent, and how terrible people feel after their consent has been violated. I don't know what age that needs to happen, but I do feel that parents are poorly equipped to have that conversation. Back when I was in school, we had lessons where we'd watch videos about various scenarios around dating and teenage life, we'd discuss them, and write what we thought was going on and why. I don't think there's a technical solution to this problem.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
  > how terrible people feel This didn't work with bullying. In fact one the primary objectives of bullying is to make people feel terrible. The nude deepfake problem, IMO, cannot be fixed by appealing to peoples good side.
ryandvm 3y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this as simple as the camera makers just start digitally signing the photographs and all the news outlets (and anyone else that cares about photo integrity) include that signature in the metadata? Hardware crypto isn't bulletproof, but it raises the bar considerably.
- namanyayg 3y ago
  > as simple as the camera makers just start digitally signing the photographs It is "easy" in the sense that it can be coded within a day, but in reality it is so difficult that it will probably never happen because of the priorities of the legal system, delays in standardization and making committees of the same, politics of every country affected by this, politics of the manufacturers, ...
- ben_w 3y ago
  It's not nothing, but we'd also need to agree on a web of trust and to be on the look-out for the absence of the trust signal. And even then, you can point a legit camera at a Star Trek re-run and "prove" the existence of Klingons. Took a while before we bothered looking for padlocks in every website, and even that system can be (and has been) abused.

16 points by namanyayg 3y ago

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qingcharles 3y ago

Short answer: no. Question everything.

deepsun 3y ago
"_Betteridge's law of headlines_ is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no." It is named after Ian Betteridge, a British technology journalist who wrote about it in 2009, although the principle is much older."

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morkalork 3y ago

"You furnish the picture and I'll furnish the war" - Randolph Hearst

bloopernova 3y ago

The deepfake nude picture generators aren't going to go away. There needs to be some sort of discussion happening with kids about consent, and how terrible people feel after their consent has been violated. I don't know what age that needs to happen, but I do feel that parents are poorly equipped to have that conversation. Back when I was in school, we had lessons where we'd watch videos about various scenarios around dating and teenage life, we'd discuss them, and write what we thought was going on and why. I don't think there's a technical solution to this problem.

Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
> how terrible people feel This didn't work with bullying. In fact one the primary objectives of bullying is to make people feel terrible. The nude deepfake problem, IMO, cannot be fixed by appealing to peoples good side.

ryandvm 3y ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this as simple as the camera makers just start digitally signing the photographs and all the news outlets (and anyone else that cares about photo integrity) include that signature in the metadata? Hardware crypto isn't bulletproof, but it raises the bar considerably.

namanyayg 3y ago
> as simple as the camera makers just start digitally signing the photographs It is "easy" in the sense that it can be coded within a day, but in reality it is so difficult that it will probably never happen because of the priorities of the legal system, delays in standardization and making committees of the same, politics of every country affected by this, politics of the manufacturers, ...
ben_w 3y ago
It's not nothing, but we'd also need to agree on a web of trust and to be on the look-out for the absence of the trust signal. And even then, you can point a legit camera at a Star Trek re-run and "prove" the existence of Klingons. Took a while before we bothered looking for padlocks in every website, and even that system can be (and has been) abused.