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> Because the biggest voting block in many democracies is the pensioners, so this being possible is a good way to lose elections Imagine you would write ‘white

> Because the biggest voting block in many democracies is the pensioners, so this being possible is a good way to lose elections Imagine you would write ‘white people are the biggest voting block’ - this would be questionable as a justification for bad policy, right? So kids are brutally held responsible for their bad decision, but pensioners aren’t. It has become so normal to denigrate and mistreat the younger generation you don’t even consciously notice it any more. It’s a form of discrimination just like any other

ben_w 3y ago
> Imagine you would write ‘white people are the biggest voting block’ - this would be questionable as a justification for bad policy, right? "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch" — Probably not Franklin "[d]emocracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried." — Churchill The Rules for Rulers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&t=1025s&pp=ygUNa2V5cyB0byBwb3dlcg%3D%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&t=1025s&pp=ygUNa... If you can fix this, please go into politics, the world would be much better if someone can actually resolve this kind of issue.
- int_19h 3y ago
  I'm familiar with this video (and the book behind it). I don't know how fix it, but we can at least talk about how things should be before we can start discussing how to get there. And here's the thing. If the overall arrangement continues to be broken - increasingly so, in fact - for new generations, and meanwhile they are repeatedly told that there's no way to fix it through the existing political system, at some point they will just get fed up and say, "fuck you and your system then", and it'll be torches and pitchforks time, elections be damned. Which is unlikely to actually improve matters on the whole - it rarely does - but it will certainly hurt all those older people with investments (and really just about anything of substantial value, including real estate) a great deal more than anything I talked about earlier. So it is very much in their - in our! - interest to find some way forward that does not involve this kind of activity before the anger grows beyond the point where it can be contained. I would rather give up some of what I have to keep the rest of it. And then there's the very real risk of physical violence; the guys on the very top of this pyramid can afford private security and private jets as the ultimate escape hatch (and they're already digging bunkers for themselves elsewhere in droves), but I sure don't.

ben_w 3y ago

> Imagine you would write ‘white people are the biggest voting block’ - this would be questionable as a justification for bad policy, right? "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch" — Probably not Franklin "[d]emocracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried." — Churchill The Rules for Rulers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&t=1025s&pp=ygUNa2V5cyB0byBwb3dlcg%3D%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&t=1025s&pp=ygUNa... If you can fix this, please go into politics, the world would be much better if someone can actually resolve this kind of issue.

int_19h 3y ago
I'm familiar with this video (and the book behind it). I don't know how fix it, but we can at least talk about how things should be before we can start discussing how to get there. And here's the thing. If the overall arrangement continues to be broken - increasingly so, in fact - for new generations, and meanwhile they are repeatedly told that there's no way to fix it through the existing political system, at some point they will just get fed up and say, "fuck you and your system then", and it'll be torches and pitchforks time, elections be damned. Which is unlikely to actually improve matters on the whole - it rarely does - but it will certainly hurt all those older people with investments (and really just about anything of substantial value, including real estate) a great deal more than anything I talked about earlier. So it is very much in their - in our! - interest to find some way forward that does not involve this kind of activity before the anger grows beyond the point where it can be contained. I would rather give up some of what I have to keep the rest of it. And then there's the very real risk of physical violence; the guys on the very top of this pyramid can afford private security and private jets as the ultimate escape hatch (and they're already digging bunkers for themselves elsewhere in droves), but I sure don't.