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> "Judge Alexandre de Moraes, speaks during the inauguration of the Center for Combating Disinformation and Defense of Democracy" So, a judge and a Ministry of
by alecsm 3y ago
> "Judge Alexandre de Moraes, speaks during the inauguration of the Center for Combating Disinformation and Defense of Democracy"
So, a judge and a Ministry of Truth?
I don't know who's right or wrong here but to me it doesn't feel right to have a national entity controlled that decides what I am allowed to say.
- verdverm 3y agoAmerica's far reaching free speech, enabling people to knowingly lie to the public, is more of an exception than the standard Being the first constitutional democracy, several mistakes were made (and carve outs to get the deal done)
- alecsm 3y agoI think it's better to allow people to lie in public than let the government decide what's the truth.
- addicted 3y agoThis isn’t even true of American free speech. Defamation laws do exist. And you cannot knowingly lie under many circumstances (for example, executives at companies, advertisements, making medical claims, etc).
- alecsm 3y agoIf you knowingly lie and get sued then a judge will decide if you're guilty of anything, which is very different than having the government decide beforehand what you can and what you can't say.
- verdverm 3y agoYes, people are talking about expanding what is covered by the law. Right now politicians and media outlets are mostly free to lie without repercussion. Twitter, being a media organization, is knowingly spreading and promoting false information. Elon has on several occasions done this himself and removed community notes correcting him. That later part is more concerning to me. A notable example of late was his retweet of the false info about Arizona voter registration. Fortunately, Maricopa country has a great county recorder who shares the actual data: https://twitter.com/stephen_richer https://twitter.com/stephen_richer Stephen's correction of Elon: https://twitter.com/stephen_richer/status/1775644775829655596 https://twitter.com/stephen_richer/status/177564477582965559...
- matheusmoreira 3y ago> which is very different than having the government decide beforehand what you can and what you can't say This is before-the-fact censorship has happened here. Before the 2022 elections, these same judges targeting Elon Musk censored a documentary before it was ever published. Censorship equals dictatorship. It's that simple. Brazil is not a democracy. I want the whole world to know that.
- verdverm 3y agoIt will be courts deciding, not a ministry of truth, like what Brazil is doing, which includes discovery, fact-finding, and lawyering from both sides. Another approach I think would be good to roll out is to use Bluesky's stacked moderation for community notes. Open fact checking platform where people can subscribe to those they trust (can be more than one) https://bsky.social/about/blog/03-12-2024-stackable-moderation https://bsky.social/about/blog/03-12-2024-stackable-moderati... --- The problem with allowing knowingly lying is that the damage is done in the first message and rarely is undone with retraction or fact checking. Threat of penalty will reduce how much this happens, and as another commenter pointed out, is in some circumstances Knowing you are lying, and then telling those lies to influence others, ought to be criminal, at least civilly penalized
- vitorgrs 3y agoCan you tell all loud in an airport in the U.S that there is a bomb? Would be a lie. But I'm certain that you can't lie about that in public...