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Which means absolutely nothing. If two Americans have a kid while living in China, would that make him a Chinese?

by batista 14y ago

KaoruAoiShiho 14y ago
Yes? 0.o
- batista 14y ago
  Huh? The answer is actually no. Not just for the legal (and or trivial) reasons that he wouldn't have neither the ethnicity not the nationality, but he also wouldn't share the chinese culture.
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jayliew 14y ago
People often confuse ethnicity and nationality - you need to be more concrete with your example. Two Caucasians (ethnicity) who are US citizens living in China gives birth to a baby in China, then the baby would be Caucasian (ethnicity), and American (nationality, by US law), but probably also Chinese (nationality, by Chinese law[1]). Maybe that example is not so great because the baby would have dual-citizenship, so consider a different example: 3rd generation Chinese immigrants in the US who are born in America, never left the US to visit China (same as their parents), it is their grand parents who migrated from China. These 3rd generation immigrations are Chinese (ethnicity) and US citizens (nationality), also called Chinese-Americans (format: [ethnicity]-[nationality])[2]. These Chinese-Americans are not citizens of China, but they are ethnic Chinese. Hope that clears up that one small point. [1] Most countries have a 'if you're born here, you get our citizenship automatically' (I'm not sure about China specifically, just using it as an example). [2] easy to mix up and confuse, but order matters here
- alushta 14y ago
  Did you mean the Caucasian ethnic groups -- i.e., Chechens, Ingush, Ossetian, et al, or the "Caucasian race" (which is itself a misnomer) -- whites. These are completely separate things. The term Caucasian is highly confusing as it's a racist term invented by the same German who came up with Negroid and Mongloid, and is - as far as I know - only used in the United States. In fact, the Supreme Court in United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind (1923) decided that Indians were "Caucasian", but were not white. Also, China is a bad example, as Chinese is not an ethnicity, it's a nationality as China is a multi-ethnic nation. The ethnicities being Han (what most people consider to be "ethnic Chinese", Hui, et al.
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- andrewschleifer 14y ago
  > Most countries have a 'if you're born here, you get our citizenship automatically' (I'm not sure about China specifically, just using it as an example). That principle is called 'jus soli'[1], and is far from universal. Only ~15% of all nations confer it. A few more grant it under restricted conditions. China is emphatically _not_ one of those countries. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
herval 14y ago
Yes, unless thhe parents decide not to (or the local law doesn't allow it for whatever reason)
ktizo 14y ago
What kind of Americans? Say they are a Sioux-Polish American from Chicago and an Irish-Mexican-Mongolian American from Houston, then yeah, why not call the kid Chinese. My mate was born on holiday in Australia and only lived there for a week, yet had to go through naturalisation over 20 years later to become the same nationality as his parents, as they had forgot to fill out the forms at the time. So presumably Tesla was a Croatian-Serb, or possibly a Serb-Croatian, and whether or not those two groups get along doesn't really affect that definition. I mean, I fully understand that it is a touchy subject, but I don't really think that it affects long dead physicists very much.
- batista 14y ago
  >What kind of Americans? Say they are a Sioux-Polish American from Chicago and an Irish-Mexican-Mongolian American from Houston, then yeah, why not call the kid Chinese. It's still American. (At least to us Europeans) what matters is the culture of the parents/kid, not the nationality or the ethnicity itself. A 3rd generation Irish-American is an American, not an Irish, and a 3rd generation Chinese-American is by all means an American too.
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streptomycin 14y ago
So? Your question was "Where you get that he was Croatian in the first place?" and the answer is that he was born in what is now Croatia.

Which means absolutely nothing. If two Americans have a kid while living in China, would that make him a Chinese?

by batista 14y ago

Which means absolutely nothing. If two Americans have a kid while living in China, would that make him a Chinese?

KaoruAoiShiho 14y ago

Yes? 0.o

batista 14y ago
Huh? The answer is actually no. Not just for the legal (and or trivial) reasons that he wouldn't have neither the ethnicity not the nationality, but he also wouldn't share the chinese culture.
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jayliew 14y ago

People often confuse ethnicity and nationality - you need to be more concrete with your example. Two Caucasians (ethnicity) who are US citizens living in China gives birth to a baby in China, then the baby would be Caucasian (ethnicity), and American (nationality, by US law), but probably also Chinese (nationality, by Chinese law[1]). Maybe that example is not so great because the baby would have dual-citizenship, so consider a different example: 3rd generation Chinese immigrants in the US who are born in America, never left the US to visit China (same as their parents), it is their grand parents who migrated from China. These 3rd generation immigrations are Chinese (ethnicity) and US citizens (nationality), also called Chinese-Americans (format: [ethnicity]-[nationality])[2]. These Chinese-Americans are not citizens of China, but they are ethnic Chinese. Hope that clears up that one small point. [1] Most countries have a 'if you're born here, you get our citizenship automatically' (I'm not sure about China specifically, just using it as an example). [2] easy to mix up and confuse, but order matters here

alushta 14y ago
Did you mean the Caucasian ethnic groups -- i.e., Chechens, Ingush, Ossetian, et al, or the "Caucasian race" (which is itself a misnomer) -- whites. These are completely separate things. The term Caucasian is highly confusing as it's a racist term invented by the same German who came up with Negroid and Mongloid, and is - as far as I know - only used in the United States. In fact, the Supreme Court in United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind (1923) decided that Indians were "Caucasian", but were not white. Also, China is a bad example, as Chinese is not an ethnicity, it's a nationality as China is a multi-ethnic nation. The ethnicities being Han (what most people consider to be "ethnic Chinese", Hui, et al.
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andrewschleifer 14y ago
> Most countries have a 'if you're born here, you get our citizenship automatically' (I'm not sure about China specifically, just using it as an example). That principle is called 'jus soli'[1], and is far from universal. Only ~15% of all nations confer it. A few more grant it under restricted conditions. China is emphatically _not_ one of those countries. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

herval 14y ago

Yes, unless thhe parents decide not to (or the local law doesn't allow it for whatever reason)

ktizo 14y ago

What kind of Americans? Say they are a Sioux-Polish American from Chicago and an Irish-Mexican-Mongolian American from Houston, then yeah, why not call the kid Chinese. My mate was born on holiday in Australia and only lived there for a week, yet had to go through naturalisation over 20 years later to become the same nationality as his parents, as they had forgot to fill out the forms at the time. So presumably Tesla was a Croatian-Serb, or possibly a Serb-Croatian, and whether or not those two groups get along doesn't really affect that definition. I mean, I fully understand that it is a touchy subject, but I don't really think that it affects long dead physicists very much.

batista 14y ago
>What kind of Americans? Say they are a Sioux-Polish American from Chicago and an Irish-Mexican-Mongolian American from Houston, then yeah, why not call the kid Chinese. It's still American. (At least to us Europeans) what matters is the culture of the parents/kid, not the nationality or the ethnicity itself. A 3rd generation Irish-American is an American, not an Irish, and a 3rd generation Chinese-American is by all means an American too.

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streptomycin 14y ago

So? Your question was "Where you get that he was Croatian in the first place?" and the answer is that he was born in what is now Croatia.