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> A "protest" with violence where the objective is preventing the elected president to assume or govern and that tries to encourage the army to depose the presi

> A "protest" with violence where the objective is preventing the elected president to assume or govern and that tries to encourage the army to depose the president is literally a coup attempt. It was a mob, no plans, no armed groups capable of effecting a coup. It was a great excuse for a coup which Bolsonaro didn't capitalize. If you want to call it a coup call it a self-coup by Lula because they let it happen, capitalized it and used it as an excuse to increase their powers and persecute oppositors.

thiagoharry 3y ago
It was not just a mob, given that there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them, with the intent of trying the coup. Until the last time the group expected the army and police officers to insubordinate and depose the president, which would consummate the coup: this was the plan. Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them.
- lobocinza 3y ago
  > ...there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them... So what? Every manifestation has that. People were asking for military intervention way before Bolsonaro came to power. The thing is that the military didn't want to intervene there or now. > Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them. No doubt that Bolsonaro is authoritarian and dream of being a dictator but besides being an unscrupulous & irresponsible politician he is also a coward. He didn't have substantial support from the high echelon. My read is that it was a massive manifestation that got out of control. His goal was to show that he wasn't politically dead yet so he would secure his party loyalty and maybe get a second chance at next elections. He achieved that. He cowardly left the country to have an alibi. He lured thousands of brainwashed supporters into the sacrificial pyre which ultimately ended with them being imprisoned for life. It's worth mentioning that Lula government purposefully let things get out of control. Intelligence services notified government officials days before but they didn't make preparations like increasing . Also there is CCTV that shows Lula chief of security (chief of GSI) giving water and directions to protesters inside the the presidential palace. Suspiciously most of internal CCTV footage was deleted. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/dino-diz-que-imagens-ineditas-do-8-de-janeiro-foram-deletadas-por-problema-contratual/ https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/dino-diz-que-imagens-i... It's also worth mentioning that from 2021 and onward Bolsonaro became a puppet from the powers at play motivated by his son being target by corruption investigations.

thiagoharry 3y ago

It was not just a mob, given that there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them, with the intent of trying the coup. Until the last time the group expected the army and police officers to insubordinate and depose the president, which would consummate the coup: this was the plan. Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them.

lobocinza 3y ago
> ...there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them... So what? Every manifestation has that. People were asking for military intervention way before Bolsonaro came to power. The thing is that the military didn't want to intervene there or now. > Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them. No doubt that Bolsonaro is authoritarian and dream of being a dictator but besides being an unscrupulous & irresponsible politician he is also a coward. He didn't have substantial support from the high echelon. My read is that it was a massive manifestation that got out of control. His goal was to show that he wasn't politically dead yet so he would secure his party loyalty and maybe get a second chance at next elections. He achieved that. He cowardly left the country to have an alibi. He lured thousands of brainwashed supporters into the sacrificial pyre which ultimately ended with them being imprisoned for life. It's worth mentioning that Lula government purposefully let things get out of control. Intelligence services notified government officials days before but they didn't make preparations like increasing . Also there is CCTV that shows Lula chief of security (chief of GSI) giving water and directions to protesters inside the the presidential palace. Suspiciously most of internal CCTV footage was deleted. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/dino-diz-que-imagens-ineditas-do-8-de-janeiro-foram-deletadas-por-problema-contratual/ https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/dino-diz-que-imagens-i... It's also worth mentioning that from 2021 and onward Bolsonaro became a puppet from the powers at play motivated by his son being target by corruption investigations.