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> There was no "coup". There was a protest. Identical to many others in the past, down to the "people all over the buildings" imagery. It was not the first time

> There was no "coup". There was a protest. Identical to many others in the past, down to the "people all over the buildings" imagery. It was not the first time people have occupied the Brasília buildings and it certainly won't be the last. Just like this one for example: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil The other protests that you reference were not performed with the intent of preventing the elected president to assume and govern. A "protest" with violence where the objective is preventing the elected president to assume or govern and that tries to encourage the army to depose the president is literally a coup attempt. Moreover Brazilian law allows content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation.

lobocinza 3y ago
> A "protest" with violence where the objective is preventing the elected president to assume or govern and that tries to encourage the army to depose the president is literally a coup attempt. It was a mob, no plans, no armed groups capable of effecting a coup. It was a great excuse for a coup which Bolsonaro didn't capitalize. If you want to call it a coup call it a self-coup by Lula because they let it happen, capitalized it and used it as an excuse to increase their powers and persecute oppositors.
- thiagoharry 3y ago
  It was not just a mob, given that there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them, with the intent of trying the coup. Until the last time the group expected the army and police officers to insubordinate and depose the president, which would consummate the coup: this was the plan. Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them.
  - lobocinza 3y ago
    > ...there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them... So what? Every manifestation has that. People were asking for military intervention way before Bolsonaro came to power. The thing is that the military didn't want to intervene there or now. > Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them. No doubt that Bolsonaro is authoritarian and dream of being a dictator but besides being an unscrupulous & irresponsible politician he is also a coward. He didn't have substantial support from the high echelon. My read is that it was a massive manifestation that got out of control. His goal was to show that he wasn't politically dead yet so he would secure his party loyalty and maybe get a second chance at next elections. He achieved that. He cowardly left the country to have an alibi. He lured thousands of brainwashed supporters into the sacrificial pyre which ultimately ended with them being imprisoned for life. It's worth mentioning that Lula government purposefully let things get out of control. Intelligence services notified government officials days before but they didn't make preparations like increasing . Also there is CCTV that shows Lula chief of security (chief of GSI) giving water and directions to protesters inside the the presidential palace. Suspiciously most of internal CCTV footage was deleted. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/dino-diz-que-imagens-ineditas-do-8-de-janeiro-foram-deletadas-por-problema-contratual/ https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/dino-diz-que-imagens-i... It's also worth mentioning that from 2021 and onward Bolsonaro became a puppet from the powers at play motivated by his son being target by corruption investigations.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
What a bunch of bullshit. I was there when they called Dilma's impeachment a coup, they protested it just as vigorously. Hell they still call it a coup and they seem to be rather keen on memory holing any fact to the contrary now that they're back in power. You don't see me calling them terrorists. Even the most communist parties in Brazil denounced that narrative for obvious reasons. Things are not going to end well for them if protesting gets you labelled a terrorist. Violence? Nobody was even hurt. Well not at the protest anyway. Some people have already died in the quasi-concentration camp they set up in Brasília for the political prisoners. The judge-kings haven't even finished dispensing their "justice" yet. Coup attempt? If only. Maybe then they would have actually deserved those 20 year sentences. Maybe they should have actually tried to seize power. It's all the same to the judges anyway, why not go all the way? Who knows? Maybe they would have succeeded. I for one sure would enjoy not having to live under the rule of literal communists. > Moreover Brazilian law allows content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation. LOL what does it matter what brazilian law says? It's not even a civilized, democratic country anyway. Just anger a judge with your opinions and you'll see how far they'll stretch those "brazilian laws" to hang you. We have journalists, YouTubers fleeing to the USA to escape persecution. They banned Bolsonaro from office over wrongthink. Not even the incredibly dumb shit he said during the pandemic, over his perfectly reasonable criticism of the voting machines. He questioned the unquestionable. Brazilian law? What a total joke. It's like saying "but North Korea's laws allow its dictator to..." as an argument. I'm not even convinced this land has any laws to begin with. Says on the little paper they call a constitution that censorship is illegal. The judges ordered censorship anyway, political censorship at that. The censorship actually happens, despite supposedly being unconstitutional. You vote for guys to pass laws to bring society in line with what you want it to be, then the unelected judges come in and just "vote" on that law so as to decriminalize abortion, drugs, you name it. So do these mythical laws even exist? I don't think so. Whatever whims the judge writes on his paper becomes law, and only because it actually makes police go out there and enforce it. I don't even know why they bother to keep up this charade. Why even waste all this taxpayer money on all these useless politicians?
- thiagoharry 3y ago
  People jailed because of the Brazilian version of the Capitolio invasion are NOT being framed by terrorism. They are being framed for armed criminal association, trying to abolish the rule of law, property damage qualified by the use of violence and menace and for destroying historical items. The only person framed with terrorism is the Bolsonaro supporter who months earlier tried to plant a bomb in an airport, which is the literal definition of terrorism. You CAN protest. You CANNOT try a coup, cannot try to abolish the rule of law, nor try to depose the elected president. Your whataboutism about left-wing protests against Temer do not even make sense. > what does it matter what brazilian law says? It's not even a civilized, democratic country anyway. OK, now I know Im just talking with a crazy Bolsonaro supporter. No right is absolute. You have freedom, but if you commit crimes, you are jailed. You do not know nothing about law and is repeating absurdities. Anyway, your reply is useful to show the partisanship of people echoing these news.

lobocinza 3y ago

> A "protest" with violence where the objective is preventing the elected president to assume or govern and that tries to encourage the army to depose the president is literally a coup attempt. It was a mob, no plans, no armed groups capable of effecting a coup. It was a great excuse for a coup which Bolsonaro didn't capitalize. If you want to call it a coup call it a self-coup by Lula because they let it happen, capitalized it and used it as an excuse to increase their powers and persecute oppositors.

thiagoharry 3y ago
It was not just a mob, given that there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them, with the intent of trying the coup. Until the last time the group expected the army and police officers to insubordinate and depose the president, which would consummate the coup: this was the plan. Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them.
- lobocinza 3y ago
  > ...there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them... So what? Every manifestation has that. People were asking for military intervention way before Bolsonaro came to power. The thing is that the military didn't want to intervene there or now. > Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them. No doubt that Bolsonaro is authoritarian and dream of being a dictator but besides being an unscrupulous & irresponsible politician he is also a coward. He didn't have substantial support from the high echelon. My read is that it was a massive manifestation that got out of control. His goal was to show that he wasn't politically dead yet so he would secure his party loyalty and maybe get a second chance at next elections. He achieved that. He cowardly left the country to have an alibi. He lured thousands of brainwashed supporters into the sacrificial pyre which ultimately ended with them being imprisoned for life. It's worth mentioning that Lula government purposefully let things get out of control. Intelligence services notified government officials days before but they didn't make preparations like increasing . Also there is CCTV that shows Lula chief of security (chief of GSI) giving water and directions to protesters inside the the presidential palace. Suspiciously most of internal CCTV footage was deleted. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/dino-diz-que-imagens-ineditas-do-8-de-janeiro-foram-deletadas-por-problema-contratual/ https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/dino-diz-que-imagens-i... It's also worth mentioning that from 2021 and onward Bolsonaro became a puppet from the powers at play motivated by his son being target by corruption investigations.

matheusmoreira 3y ago

What a bunch of bullshit. I was there when they called Dilma's impeachment a coup, they protested it just as vigorously. Hell they still call it a coup and they seem to be rather keen on memory holing any fact to the contrary now that they're back in power. You don't see me calling them terrorists. Even the most communist parties in Brazil denounced that narrative for obvious reasons. Things are not going to end well for them if protesting gets you labelled a terrorist. Violence? Nobody was even hurt. Well not at the protest anyway. Some people have already died in the quasi-concentration camp they set up in Brasília for the political prisoners. The judge-kings haven't even finished dispensing their "justice" yet. Coup attempt? If only. Maybe then they would have actually deserved those 20 year sentences. Maybe they should have actually tried to seize power. It's all the same to the judges anyway, why not go all the way? Who knows? Maybe they would have succeeded. I for one sure would enjoy not having to live under the rule of literal communists. > Moreover Brazilian law allows content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation. LOL what does it matter what brazilian law says? It's not even a civilized, democratic country anyway. Just anger a judge with your opinions and you'll see how far they'll stretch those "brazilian laws" to hang you. We have journalists, YouTubers fleeing to the USA to escape persecution. They banned Bolsonaro from office over wrongthink. Not even the incredibly dumb shit he said during the pandemic, over his perfectly reasonable criticism of the voting machines. He questioned the unquestionable. Brazilian law? What a total joke. It's like saying "but North Korea's laws allow its dictator to..." as an argument. I'm not even convinced this land has any laws to begin with. Says on the little paper they call a constitution that censorship is illegal. The judges ordered censorship anyway, political censorship at that. The censorship actually happens, despite supposedly being unconstitutional. You vote for guys to pass laws to bring society in line with what you want it to be, then the unelected judges come in and just "vote" on that law so as to decriminalize abortion, drugs, you name it. So do these mythical laws even exist? I don't think so. Whatever whims the judge writes on his paper becomes law, and only because it actually makes police go out there and enforce it. I don't even know why they bother to keep up this charade. Why even waste all this taxpayer money on all these useless politicians?

thiagoharry 3y ago
People jailed because of the Brazilian version of the Capitolio invasion are NOT being framed by terrorism. They are being framed for armed criminal association, trying to abolish the rule of law, property damage qualified by the use of violence and menace and for destroying historical items. The only person framed with terrorism is the Bolsonaro supporter who months earlier tried to plant a bomb in an airport, which is the literal definition of terrorism. You CAN protest. You CANNOT try a coup, cannot try to abolish the rule of law, nor try to depose the elected president. Your whataboutism about left-wing protests against Temer do not even make sense. > what does it matter what brazilian law says? It's not even a civilized, democratic country anyway. OK, now I know Im just talking with a crazy Bolsonaro supporter. No right is absolute. You have freedom, but if you commit crimes, you are jailed. You do not know nothing about law and is repeating absurdities. Anyway, your reply is useful to show the partisanship of people echoing these news.