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100% this, I know several folks in the aviation maintenance biz for the big airlines, and they were shocked at how much they started cutting back, I want to say

by spydum 3y ago

100% this, I know several folks in the aviation maintenance biz for the big airlines, and they were shocked at how much they started cutting back, I want to say it started in 2017/2018. A lot of the older experienced folks had enough and just retired.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Many US air carriers outsource maintenance to MROs in El Salvador, Mexico, or other low labor cost geographies. https://elsalvadorinenglish.com/2024/02/19/el-salvadors-aerospace-industry-soars-to-regional-prominence/ https://elsalvadorinenglish.com/2024/02/19/el-salvadors-aero... https://aviationweek.com/mro/safety-ops-regulation/new-bill-could-curtail-offshoring-us-aircraft-maintenance https://aviationweek.com/mro/safety-ops-regulation/new-bill-... https://www.fastcompany.com/90384118/disaster-waiting-to-happen-as-airlines-increase-use-of-offshore-repair-centers https://www.fastcompany.com/90384118/disaster-waiting-to-hap... https://arsa.org/samsa/ https://arsa.org/samsa/
- wkat4242 3y ago
  That doesn't have to imply lower quality though. Apple phones are made in ultra low wage China but quality control is not an issue.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    It doesn't have to, but until proven otherwise, it is safe to assume corners are being cut and there is no accountability. If you meet developed world standards, prove it. If you're unwilling to prove it, we should not trust you. > Apple phones are made in ultra low wage China but quality control is not an issue. I don't fly in an iPhone at ~500MPH and 36k feet MSL. I want my government to have "a throat to choke" when people die due to corporate cost savings using this arbitrage. The 737 MAX killed 346 people, and the recourse was...not impressive. This is no different than the video where an exec is asked to drink the glass of water if fracking fluids are safe [1]. Is it safe? Okay, prove that it is, and maybe regulators allow it to continue. High level, I am of the opinion we are at a point where there is no trust of corporate decisions when life safety is involved. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0HL4L6Pa-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0HL4L6Pa-4
    - dlisboa 3y ago
      Corners are being cut by Boeing right in the USA.
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        Indeed, and the CEO was pushed out by the board (which held private meetings with aircraft customers without the CEO) and the org is at risk that the US government might nationalize them if the board and shareholders don't right the ship (as they are too big to fail). Seems like an ideal time to move through the industry chain encouraging better behavior. No need for the "what about this terrible org/business practice also?" There are resources to go around.
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      > I want my government to have "a throat to choke" when people die due to corporate cost savings using this arbitrage. The 737 MAX killed 346 people, and the recourse was...not impressive. Yeah this is exactly the problem. The US government is too dependent on Boeing for military solutions. So they can never choke hard enough. > It doesn't have to, but until proven otherwise, it is safe to assume corners are being cut and there is no accountability. That's not really fair on the Latin American countries. Some just have a lower standard of living so they can be cheaper without cutting corners that would have to be cut in the US. And the FAA can simply stop recognising their maintenance qualifications if they really do cut corners. I live in a low wage country myself though in Europe and there's also this undeserved reputation.

by spydum 3y ago

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Many US air carriers outsource maintenance to MROs in El Salvador, Mexico, or other low labor cost geographies. https://elsalvadorinenglish.com/2024/02/19/el-salvadors-aerospace-industry-soars-to-regional-prominence/ https://elsalvadorinenglish.com/2024/02/19/el-salvadors-aero... https://aviationweek.com/mro/safety-ops-regulation/new-bill-could-curtail-offshoring-us-aircraft-maintenance https://aviationweek.com/mro/safety-ops-regulation/new-bill-... https://www.fastcompany.com/90384118/disaster-waiting-to-happen-as-airlines-increase-use-of-offshore-repair-centers https://www.fastcompany.com/90384118/disaster-waiting-to-hap... https://arsa.org/samsa/ https://arsa.org/samsa/

wkat4242 3y ago
That doesn't have to imply lower quality though. Apple phones are made in ultra low wage China but quality control is not an issue.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  It doesn't have to, but until proven otherwise, it is safe to assume corners are being cut and there is no accountability. If you meet developed world standards, prove it. If you're unwilling to prove it, we should not trust you. > Apple phones are made in ultra low wage China but quality control is not an issue. I don't fly in an iPhone at ~500MPH and 36k feet MSL. I want my government to have "a throat to choke" when people die due to corporate cost savings using this arbitrage. The 737 MAX killed 346 people, and the recourse was...not impressive. This is no different than the video where an exec is asked to drink the glass of water if fracking fluids are safe [1]. Is it safe? Okay, prove that it is, and maybe regulators allow it to continue. High level, I am of the opinion we are at a point where there is no trust of corporate decisions when life safety is involved. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0HL4L6Pa-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0HL4L6Pa-4
  - dlisboa 3y ago
    Corners are being cut by Boeing right in the USA.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      Indeed, and the CEO was pushed out by the board (which held private meetings with aircraft customers without the CEO) and the org is at risk that the US government might nationalize them if the board and shareholders don't right the ship (as they are too big to fail). Seems like an ideal time to move through the industry chain encouraging better behavior. No need for the "what about this terrible org/business practice also?" There are resources to go around.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    > I want my government to have "a throat to choke" when people die due to corporate cost savings using this arbitrage. The 737 MAX killed 346 people, and the recourse was...not impressive. Yeah this is exactly the problem. The US government is too dependent on Boeing for military solutions. So they can never choke hard enough. > It doesn't have to, but until proven otherwise, it is safe to assume corners are being cut and there is no accountability. That's not really fair on the Latin American countries. Some just have a lower standard of living so they can be cheaper without cutting corners that would have to be cut in the US. And the FAA can simply stop recognising their maintenance qualifications if they really do cut corners. I live in a low wage country myself though in Europe and there's also this undeserved reputation.