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I'm just not sure what your claims about regime's repressivenes are based on. Were you there? Can you compare that with your current existence? > sounds like a

I'm just not sure what your claims about regime's repressivenes are based on. Were you there? Can you compare that with your current existence? > sounds like a tautology you can apply to just about any human organization Exactly! It wasn't much better or worse than your garden variety society. That you won't use all the repressive words against. > The "Revival Process" was in turn followed by the forced expulsion of over 300,000 Muslims in 1989. Isn't that exactly the action of post-Perestroika, now-democratic Bulgaria? Indeed, as I have heard most of ethnic cleansings happen in young democracies as opposed to autoritarian states. In young unstable democracy, it suddently seems like a good idea for 70% to get rid of a 30% minority (numbers may vary). After all, you can vote solidly in favor of that. If Socialist Bulgaria wanted to get rid of muslims it would not wait until 1989. They had 40 years to do that if they wanted. They didn't. The new, emancipated one did.

pvg 3y ago
Were you there? Yes. Isn't that exactly the action of post-Perestroika, now-democratic Bulgaria? No. This was done under communist rule, as outlined in the Wikipedia page. Many Bulgarian ethnic Turks were able to return after the fall of communism as is mentioned there as well. A political party representing ethnic minority interests was one of the first formed after the end of communist rule. It remains significant part of the Bulgarian political landscape to this day - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Rights_and_Freedoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Rights_and_Freedo...
- thriftwy 3y ago
  Why it didn't happen in 1949 then, or in 1959, or in 1969, or in 1979? What have changed? I can see a clear link between perestroikas and ethnic cleansings, but perhaps you can reason that away.
  - pvg 3y ago
    It started in the 70s, which is in the Wikipedia page. Bulgaria did not meaningfully have 'perestroika' which you can google your way to. I don't think I have to reason anything away if you're simply unfamiliar with the history - you can just look it up or at a minimum, read the links we're talking about.
    - thriftwy 3y ago
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      - pvg 3y ago
        despite myself hearing about the event for the first time today. That might be a good place for us to wrap up but no, it doesn't agree with you since you seemed to think it happened after communist rule and had something to do with perestroika. Neither of these are true. The lack of familiarity is hardly some mortal sin but it puts you in a very poor (while undoubtedly easily correctable) position to assess the repressiveness or lack thereof of the Bulgarian communist regime.
        thriftwy 3y ago
        It happened in the middle of the transition period between uncontested communist rule and EU's unicorns and rainbows, and was not characteristic of what communist period's steady state looked like. It was characteristic of its failure modes, I would not contest that. The fact that you've used this transition period event as your prime example suggests you cannot solidly back up your claims about communist period. I am ready to be corrected but you will have to actually make your claim. In case you water it down to "simple" forced assimilation: so did Denmark (in Greenland) and France and of course Turkey. If they'll all repressive by your standards then all right - not the worst company to be in. If only socialist Bulgaria is repressive to you then you're employing double standards. In fact, it would be interesting to hear your assesment of Turkey v.s. Bulgaria W.R.T. repressiveness. Kurds et al.
        pvg 3y ago
        It happened in the middle of the transition period between uncontested communist rule and EU's unicorns and rainbows It didn't. I don't know where you got that idea, it's not borne out by anything reasonable you can read about it. The relevant Bulgarian expression (with an appropriate side of Turkish) is хал хабер си нямаш.

pvg 3y ago

Were you there? Yes. Isn't that exactly the action of post-Perestroika, now-democratic Bulgaria? No. This was done under communist rule, as outlined in the Wikipedia page. Many Bulgarian ethnic Turks were able to return after the fall of communism as is mentioned there as well. A political party representing ethnic minority interests was one of the first formed after the end of communist rule. It remains significant part of the Bulgarian political landscape to this day - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Rights_and_Freedoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Rights_and_Freedo...

thriftwy 3y ago
Why it didn't happen in 1949 then, or in 1959, or in 1969, or in 1979? What have changed? I can see a clear link between perestroikas and ethnic cleansings, but perhaps you can reason that away.
- pvg 3y ago
  It started in the 70s, which is in the Wikipedia page. Bulgaria did not meaningfully have 'perestroika' which you can google your way to. I don't think I have to reason anything away if you're simply unfamiliar with the history - you can just look it up or at a minimum, read the links we're talking about.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
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    - pvg 3y ago
      despite myself hearing about the event for the first time today. That might be a good place for us to wrap up but no, it doesn't agree with you since you seemed to think it happened after communist rule and had something to do with perestroika. Neither of these are true. The lack of familiarity is hardly some mortal sin but it puts you in a very poor (while undoubtedly easily correctable) position to assess the repressiveness or lack thereof of the Bulgarian communist regime.
      - thriftwy 3y ago
        It happened in the middle of the transition period between uncontested communist rule and EU's unicorns and rainbows, and was not characteristic of what communist period's steady state looked like. It was characteristic of its failure modes, I would not contest that. The fact that you've used this transition period event as your prime example suggests you cannot solidly back up your claims about communist period. I am ready to be corrected but you will have to actually make your claim. In case you water it down to "simple" forced assimilation: so did Denmark (in Greenland) and France and of course Turkey. If they'll all repressive by your standards then all right - not the worst company to be in. If only socialist Bulgaria is repressive to you then you're employing double standards. In fact, it would be interesting to hear your assesment of Turkey v.s. Bulgaria W.R.T. repressiveness. Kurds et al.
        pvg 3y ago
        It happened in the middle of the transition period between uncontested communist rule and EU's unicorns and rainbows It didn't. I don't know where you got that idea, it's not borne out by anything reasonable you can read about it. The relevant Bulgarian expression (with an appropriate side of Turkish) is хал хабер си нямаш.