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What do you do when a country’s Supreme Court justices are criminals?

by andrenth 3y ago

gverri 3y ago
What are their crimes?!
- andrenth 3y ago
  Corruption [1,2], illegal investigations [3] and unconstitutional censorship [4]. [1]https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/02/06/politica/1486411237_003158.html https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/02/06/politica/1486411... [2]https://oantagonista.com.br/analise/toffoli-no-times-a-orgia-politico-juridica-brasileira/ https://oantagonista.com.br/analise/toffoli-no-times-a-orgia... [3]https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/instituto-politeia/inquerito-toffoli-ilegal/ https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/instituto-politeia/inquerito... [4]https://www.senado.gov.br/Relatorios_SGM/CCS/Legisla%C3%A7%C3%A3o/000_CF%20artigos%20relativos%20ao%20CCS.pdf https://www.senado.gov.br/Relatorios_SGM/CCS/Legisla%C3%A7%C... (see paragraph 2)
  - gverri 3y ago
    [1,2] If a lawyer is defending a criminal does that mean he's aiding them or somehow part of their criminal organization? It seems you don't understand how law works. The guy has been a high profile lawyer for decades before he became SJ minister. You want him to be poor?! [3] Just allegations with no substantiality. [4] He has an injunction that allows him to "censure" people and media in regards to the 2022 election. It was approved by the whole SJ court.
    - andrenth 3y ago
      > Just allegations with no substantiality. The article I’ve linked lists are least five reasons his actions are illegal, with the respective citations explaining why they are illegal. Just because you chose to ignore that, doesn’t make it unsubstantiated. > He has an injunction that allows him to "censure" people and media At least you admit Brazil is under a censorship regime. Dictatorships are always backed by the law. By the way, any injunction that contradicts the constitution is by definition illegal.
      - gverri 3y ago
        Unless you want to have a childish view of reality you have to agree that if it's done under the law there's not much you can do. Our history is filled with such cases. From all sides of the political spectrum. The proclamation of the republic, the Getulio dictatorship, the military dictatorship, Dilma's impeachment, etc...
        andrenth 3y ago
        So should we just accept that the country is now a dictatorship and move on?
    - ufo 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - andrenth 3y ago
        Is defending freedom of speech a waste of time?
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      No one cares what their little "injunction" says. "Censure" is unconstitutional. That's all that should matter. The fact this is allowed to stand is proof that the supreme court is above the constitution, above brazilian law. A state of exception.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
Good question... People tried the military, the so called "moderator power". The military just arrested them instead. Then the supreme court's police started knocking on the doors of the military men. Welp.

What do you do when a country’s Supreme Court justices are criminals?

gverri 3y ago

What are their crimes?!

andrenth 3y ago
Corruption [1,2], illegal investigations [3] and unconstitutional censorship [4]. [1]https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/02/06/politica/1486411237_003158.html https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/02/06/politica/1486411... [2]https://oantagonista.com.br/analise/toffoli-no-times-a-orgia-politico-juridica-brasileira/ https://oantagonista.com.br/analise/toffoli-no-times-a-orgia... [3]https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/instituto-politeia/inquerito-toffoli-ilegal/ https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/instituto-politeia/inquerito... [4]https://www.senado.gov.br/Relatorios_SGM/CCS/Legisla%C3%A7%C3%A3o/000_CF%20artigos%20relativos%20ao%20CCS.pdf https://www.senado.gov.br/Relatorios_SGM/CCS/Legisla%C3%A7%C... (see paragraph 2)
- gverri 3y ago
  [1,2] If a lawyer is defending a criminal does that mean he's aiding them or somehow part of their criminal organization? It seems you don't understand how law works. The guy has been a high profile lawyer for decades before he became SJ minister. You want him to be poor?! [3] Just allegations with no substantiality. [4] He has an injunction that allows him to "censure" people and media in regards to the 2022 election. It was approved by the whole SJ court.
  - andrenth 3y ago
    > Just allegations with no substantiality. The article I’ve linked lists are least five reasons his actions are illegal, with the respective citations explaining why they are illegal. Just because you chose to ignore that, doesn’t make it unsubstantiated. > He has an injunction that allows him to "censure" people and media At least you admit Brazil is under a censorship regime. Dictatorships are always backed by the law. By the way, any injunction that contradicts the constitution is by definition illegal.
    - gverri 3y ago
      Unless you want to have a childish view of reality you have to agree that if it's done under the law there's not much you can do. Our history is filled with such cases. From all sides of the political spectrum. The proclamation of the republic, the Getulio dictatorship, the military dictatorship, Dilma's impeachment, etc...
      - andrenth 3y ago
        So should we just accept that the country is now a dictatorship and move on?
  - ufo 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - andrenth 3y ago
      Is defending freedom of speech a waste of time?
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    No one cares what their little "injunction" says. "Censure" is unconstitutional. That's all that should matter. The fact this is allowed to stand is proof that the supreme court is above the constitution, above brazilian law. A state of exception.

matheusmoreira 3y ago

Good question... People tried the military, the so called "moderator power". The military just arrested them instead. Then the supreme court's police started knocking on the doors of the military men. Welp.