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The perspective is different for a software engineer compared to an artist or an actor. Jon Stewart is not talking about the IT industry

paxys 3y ago
Which artist or actor has lost a job to AI?
- tracerbulletx 3y ago
  https://x.com/SaraPoyzer/status/1772758518233248242 https://x.com/SaraPoyzer/status/1772758518233248242
- seadan83 3y ago
  Jon Stewart, in the original context, is concerned about the near future. That is not to say the impacts on the film/tv/screen-writing industry are not already being felt today. The SAG-AFTRA strike was in large part about AI. The fact the strike happened, that approximately 200k people were that concerned about their livilhood that they went on strike is all quite strong evidence there is a real concern. At this juncture, I think the burden of proof would be on you for why those 200k people had no concerns, that they skipped paychecks and sold their homes for nothing. A strike that was so painful to the union itself, seemingly would have been about something important. "the "harshest pain" was "perhaps felt among the below-the-line workers who've had to sell or mortgage their homes, and wipe through IRAs to survive." [1] If that strike was over nothing, that sure was a lot of pain to inflect for no cause of concern what-so-ever. I would trust those people to know their own industry far better than myself. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_SAG-AFTRA_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_SAG-AFTRA_strike ------------------- I don't see Devin or any other type of AI practically replacing a software engineer any time soon. I believe we agree there, and perhaps that was your original point. I think that point was incorrectly extrapolated to other industries. Further, the timeline for when jobs can be taken by AI is different for different industries. This article, where I was trying to see if I could find any raw numbers, summed up the concern pretty well for actors & screen-writers (in essence, AI is already there for them): > Using AI to create performances that never took place is not just hypothetical. It is already happening. But AI-generated deepfakes, such as a series of convincing but totally fabricated videos of a Tom Cruise doppelganger, are mostly found on social media, not in movies or shows from the studios. > But the same technology could easily be used to replace the actors in background roles in studio and streaming productions — the ones listed in the credits with titles like “second police officer” or “waiter in the restaurant.” These roles generate a huge number of the jobs that SAG-AFTRA members depend on to pay their bills. [2] Which is to say, as a software engineer, when I look at Devin, I call BS that it can replace another software engineer. Though, if my trade were creating images, AI is already there were a film industry could decide they want pictures of 6 fingered people because it will boost their profit margin, that is already a reality. If I were shown an AI that did almost exactly my job, I would probably be concerned. Is this all a bad thing, a good thing, avoidable, or even necessary? I don't know. Is it happening - yes, in different industries to different degrees. (Frankly, we in hacker news need to get our heads out of our asses, not everyone in the world is a software engineer) [2] https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/business/ai-actors-strike/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/business/ai-actors-strike/ind...

paxys 3y ago

Which artist or actor has lost a job to AI?

tracerbulletx 3y ago
https://x.com/SaraPoyzer/status/1772758518233248242 https://x.com/SaraPoyzer/status/1772758518233248242
seadan83 3y ago
Jon Stewart, in the original context, is concerned about the near future. That is not to say the impacts on the film/tv/screen-writing industry are not already being felt today. The SAG-AFTRA strike was in large part about AI. The fact the strike happened, that approximately 200k people were that concerned about their livilhood that they went on strike is all quite strong evidence there is a real concern. At this juncture, I think the burden of proof would be on you for why those 200k people had no concerns, that they skipped paychecks and sold their homes for nothing. A strike that was so painful to the union itself, seemingly would have been about something important. "the "harshest pain" was "perhaps felt among the below-the-line workers who've had to sell or mortgage their homes, and wipe through IRAs to survive." [1] If that strike was over nothing, that sure was a lot of pain to inflect for no cause of concern what-so-ever. I would trust those people to know their own industry far better than myself. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_SAG-AFTRA_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_SAG-AFTRA_strike ------------------- I don't see Devin or any other type of AI practically replacing a software engineer any time soon. I believe we agree there, and perhaps that was your original point. I think that point was incorrectly extrapolated to other industries. Further, the timeline for when jobs can be taken by AI is different for different industries. This article, where I was trying to see if I could find any raw numbers, summed up the concern pretty well for actors & screen-writers (in essence, AI is already there for them): > Using AI to create performances that never took place is not just hypothetical. It is already happening. But AI-generated deepfakes, such as a series of convincing but totally fabricated videos of a Tom Cruise doppelganger, are mostly found on social media, not in movies or shows from the studios. > But the same technology could easily be used to replace the actors in background roles in studio and streaming productions — the ones listed in the credits with titles like “second police officer” or “waiter in the restaurant.” These roles generate a huge number of the jobs that SAG-AFTRA members depend on to pay their bills. [2] Which is to say, as a software engineer, when I look at Devin, I call BS that it can replace another software engineer. Though, if my trade were creating images, AI is already there were a film industry could decide they want pictures of 6 fingered people because it will boost their profit margin, that is already a reality. If I were shown an AI that did almost exactly my job, I would probably be concerned. Is this all a bad thing, a good thing, avoidable, or even necessary? I don't know. Is it happening - yes, in different industries to different degrees. (Frankly, we in hacker news need to get our heads out of our asses, not everyone in the world is a software engineer) [2] https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/business/ai-actors-strike/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/business/ai-actors-strike/ind...