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Really all they need to do is build more housing.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
Housing is a provincial responsibility. All Trudeau can do is give the provinces money to spend on housing. And he's given tens of billions. But it's undone when Ford doesn't allow fourplexes etc.
- Teever 3y ago
  So tired of seeing this half-baked take that ignores history and policy of several successive federal governments for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Mortgage_and_Housing_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Mortgage_and_Housing_Co... Why is it so difficult for people to acknowledge the failings of the federal government when it comes to housing?
  - chaostheory 3y ago
    Probably because Canada’s central government is weak because it’s a confederation and not a federation. Their provincial governors have more power yet less blame. Another issue is rampant NIMBYism just like the US.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - snapplebobapple 3y ago
    It's hard to see incompetence in the guy you like and easy to see incompetence in the guy you don't like. Housing is pretty clearly all levels of government fault. Cities are trapped by nimbies, provinces aren't using their clear power to overrule the cities and stuff massive residential upzoning through, feds are clearly funding rampant house appreciation through easy CMHC money and driving excess demand through a half baked immigration policy that ups the population numbers without enough heed to the skills we actually need to alleviate our problems. I could go on but that's the big picture failure at each level.
    - slothtrop 3y ago
      Summed well.
      - snapplebobapple 3y ago
        it drives me bonkers so I'm following it semi closely. The obvious solution is the provinces stuff something like a simplification of residential zoning to 2 zones, one which lets you build everything up to some story (lets say six) and have some high lot coverage (say 80%) and a zone for everything else. Everything within the spec in the first zone gets a mandated approval in some short time period (say 2 weeks) everything in the second gets a mandated approval in a longer time but still fairly short (say 2 months). Have the list of allowed no's be very restrictive and approve everything else. Feds should phase out new CMHC lending over some reasonably long time period (say 20 years) and do a better job of matching immigration to skills shortages and limiting immigration to a smaller number outside the skills shortage areas until the shortages are addressed. Just get it done already guys!
        bryanlarsen 3y ago
        It's easy to say "less immigration". But when faced with somebody whose choice is to immigrate or to die, are you willing to say "die"?
        slothtrop 3y ago
        You're talking about asylum seekers, that's not representative of the problem. It was a matter of strict policy to target a 3%+ growth rate. That was reached with economic migrants, refugees and the others are in addition to the targets. That's not counting TFWs and students who'd go to work full-time instead of attending to their studies
artninja1988 3y ago
I think another good way to attract industry would be to give clear IP exemptions for model training. Having t&d exemptions like in Japan or Israel would be huge for legal certainty imo
voisin 3y ago
Unfortunately the federal government doesn’t have as much to say about that as municipalities. All they can really do is reduce immigration (done) and provide incentives for municipalities to build housing (done) but the effects of both on the housing market will take well beyond next year’s election to be felt. Trudeau seems obsessed with spending $1b / day in new programs until the election, in a vain attempt to secure his legacy.
- slothtrop 3y ago
  > reduce immigration (done) Lol.
  - voisin 3y ago
    They cut the number in 1/2, no?
    - incomingpain 3y ago
      The usual number for Canada is 200,000-300,000. They increased this to >1,000,000. Then after outcry decreased the number by 50%. But this still means they are still roughly 100% higher then the normal numbers. You notice the trick they played.
- allanmacgregor 3y ago
  Reduce immigration done? are you serious? >Trudeau seems obsessed with spending $1b / day in new programs until the election, in a vain attempt to secure his legacy. We agree here, his time is done and he is leaving a mess behind.

Housing is a provincial responsibility. All Trudeau can do is give the provinces money to spend on housing. And he's given tens of billions. But it's undone when Ford doesn't allow fourplexes etc.

Teever 3y ago
So tired of seeing this half-baked take that ignores history and policy of several successive federal governments for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Mortgage_and_Housing_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Mortgage_and_Housing_Co... Why is it so difficult for people to acknowledge the failings of the federal government when it comes to housing?
- chaostheory 3y ago
  Probably because Canada’s central government is weak because it’s a confederation and not a federation. Their provincial governors have more power yet less blame. Another issue is rampant NIMBYism just like the US.
- deleted 3y ago
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- snapplebobapple 3y ago
  It's hard to see incompetence in the guy you like and easy to see incompetence in the guy you don't like. Housing is pretty clearly all levels of government fault. Cities are trapped by nimbies, provinces aren't using their clear power to overrule the cities and stuff massive residential upzoning through, feds are clearly funding rampant house appreciation through easy CMHC money and driving excess demand through a half baked immigration policy that ups the population numbers without enough heed to the skills we actually need to alleviate our problems. I could go on but that's the big picture failure at each level.
  - slothtrop 3y ago
    Summed well.
    - snapplebobapple 3y ago
      it drives me bonkers so I'm following it semi closely. The obvious solution is the provinces stuff something like a simplification of residential zoning to 2 zones, one which lets you build everything up to some story (lets say six) and have some high lot coverage (say 80%) and a zone for everything else. Everything within the spec in the first zone gets a mandated approval in some short time period (say 2 weeks) everything in the second gets a mandated approval in a longer time but still fairly short (say 2 months). Have the list of allowed no's be very restrictive and approve everything else. Feds should phase out new CMHC lending over some reasonably long time period (say 20 years) and do a better job of matching immigration to skills shortages and limiting immigration to a smaller number outside the skills shortage areas until the shortages are addressed. Just get it done already guys!
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        It's easy to say "less immigration". But when faced with somebody whose choice is to immigrate or to die, are you willing to say "die"?
        slothtrop 3y ago
        You're talking about asylum seekers, that's not representative of the problem. It was a matter of strict policy to target a 3%+ growth rate. That was reached with economic migrants, refugees and the others are in addition to the targets. That's not counting TFWs and students who'd go to work full-time instead of attending to their studies

artninja1988 3y ago

I think another good way to attract industry would be to give clear IP exemptions for model training. Having t&d exemptions like in Japan or Israel would be huge for legal certainty imo

voisin 3y ago

Unfortunately the federal government doesn’t have as much to say about that as municipalities. All they can really do is reduce immigration (done) and provide incentives for municipalities to build housing (done) but the effects of both on the housing market will take well beyond next year’s election to be felt. Trudeau seems obsessed with spending $1b / day in new programs until the election, in a vain attempt to secure his legacy.

slothtrop 3y ago
> reduce immigration (done) Lol.
- voisin 3y ago
  They cut the number in 1/2, no?
  - incomingpain 3y ago
    The usual number for Canada is 200,000-300,000. They increased this to >1,000,000. Then after outcry decreased the number by 50%. But this still means they are still roughly 100% higher then the normal numbers. You notice the trick they played.
allanmacgregor 3y ago
Reduce immigration done? are you serious? >Trudeau seems obsessed with spending $1b / day in new programs until the election, in a vain attempt to secure his legacy. We agree here, his time is done and he is leaving a mess behind.