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Brazil Is on the Brink

16 points by hu3 3y ago

yinser 3y ago
Reporting on this while in Brazil sounds terrifying.
gambiting 3y ago
Musk said: "But principles matter more than profit.” What an absolute joke of a person. Says whatever fits him best at any given moment, while pretending to be a champion of free speech.
- coolbreezetft24 3y ago
  Yep, the principles didn't seem to come before profit when it came to Turkey and India trying to censor lol
  - nateglims 3y ago
    Turkey and India have more aligned interests. This is just a foreigner doing political agitation for a more business friendly regime under a pretext of "freedom of speech".
coolbreezetft24 3y ago
Took a brief scroll through this guys posting history, comes across as very partisan - I'm gonna guess Brazil is not in fact on the brink
- blastonico 3y ago
  That's because they block accounts on demand, and I bet the Brazilian Supreme Court has never heard about HN before.
- lobocinza 3y ago
  Just because it isn't totalitarian doesn't mean it isn't authoritarian. There is no rule of law, if the STF decides to go for someone they will be the accuser, investigator, judge and even the legislator. That person will be fucked regardless of what the law says.
mrbabbage 3y ago
Here's another link, from a source that's less personally invested in the ongoing controversy: https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-challenges-brazils-order-block-certain-x-accounts-2024-04-07/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-challenges-brazils-o...
blitzo 3y ago
I'm not familiar with politics in Brazil but aren't the last guy that run the country some called him Brazil's Trump? From what I'm hear that guy is worst than the current guy which is from my perspective seems moderate. Any Brazilian care to clarify objectively?
- deleted 3y ago
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- gverri 3y ago
  Yes. Bolsonaro. The Trump from the Tropics as they call him. The guy planned a violent coup and failed. He couldn't get the all military branches to back him, just one. There's plenty of evidence and a long list of crimes. He knows he's going to jail and with him the dreams of the extreme right. To me all of this sounds like the dying scream of a cornered beast.
  - andrenth 3y ago
    There not a single true statement in your comment. Why are you doing this?
    - gverri 3y ago
      https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/leonardo-sakamoto/2023/12/23/bomba-bolsonarista-que-poderia-ter-disparado-golpe-completa-um-ano-domingo.htm https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/leonardo-sakamoto/2023/1... https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/geral/noticia/2023-01/manifestantes-invadem-congresso-planalto-e-stf https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/geral/noticia/2023-01/manif... https://www.estadao.com.br/politica/blog-do-fausto-macedo/depoimentos-militares-delacao-cid-cerco-bolsonaro/ https://www.estadao.com.br/politica/blog-do-fausto-macedo/de...
      - andrenth 3y ago
        Quoting far-left bootlicker bloggers and state media will not do it man.
ufo 3y ago
This beligerance towards the supreme court and in particukar MR. Moraes is old news. For the most part, it comes from the radical right. Currently they are antsy because the supreme court is working towards prosecuting the people behind the coup attempt after Bolsonaro lost the election. It's expected that by the end of this year, Bolsonaro himself might be finally held accountable for his crimes.
- andrenth 3y ago
  What do you do when a country’s Supreme Court justices are criminals?
  - gverri 3y ago
    What are their crimes?!
    - andrenth 3y ago
      Corruption [1,2], illegal investigations [3] and unconstitutional censorship [4]. [1]https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/02/06/politica/1486411237_003158.html https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/02/06/politica/1486411... [2]https://oantagonista.com.br/analise/toffoli-no-times-a-orgia-politico-juridica-brasileira/ https://oantagonista.com.br/analise/toffoli-no-times-a-orgia... [3]https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/instituto-politeia/inquerito-toffoli-ilegal/ https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/instituto-politeia/inquerito... [4]https://www.senado.gov.br/Relatorios_SGM/CCS/Legisla%C3%A7%C3%A3o/000_CF%20artigos%20relativos%20ao%20CCS.pdf https://www.senado.gov.br/Relatorios_SGM/CCS/Legisla%C3%A7%C... (see paragraph 2)
      - gverri 3y ago
        [1,2] If a lawyer is defending a criminal does that mean he's aiding them or somehow part of their criminal organization? It seems you don't understand how law works. The guy has been a high profile lawyer for decades before he became SJ minister. You want him to be poor?! [3] Just allegations with no substantiality. [4] He has an injunction that allows him to "censure" people and media in regards to the 2022 election. It was approved by the whole SJ court.
gverri 3y ago
I'm all for free speech. But Brazil is not the US. Brazil is a sovereign nation. We have our own laws and our people must trace its own path. The old government and its pawns tried a violent coup and failed. Now they must pay for the crimes they committed. There's not much more than that.
- andrenth 3y ago
  There has never been any violent coup attempt in Brazil. Stop lying. Why do you defend blatant censorship?
  - gverri 3y ago
    https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/leonardo-sakamoto/2023/12/23/bomba-bolsonarista-que-poderia-ter-disparado-golpe-completa-um-ano-domingo.htm https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/leonardo-sakamoto/2023/1... https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/geral/noticia/2023-01/manifestantes-invadem-congresso-planalto-e-stf https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/geral/noticia/2023-01/manif... https://www.estadao.com.br/politica/blog-do-fausto-macedo/depoimentos-militares-delacao-cid-cerco-bolsonaro/ https://www.estadao.com.br/politica/blog-do-fausto-macedo/de...
    - andrenth 3y ago
      Quoting far-left bootlicker bloggers and state media will not do it man.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]

16 points by hu3 3y ago

Reporting on this while in Brazil sounds terrifying.

Musk said: "But principles matter more than profit.” What an absolute joke of a person. Says whatever fits him best at any given moment, while pretending to be a champion of free speech.

coolbreezetft24 3y ago
Yep, the principles didn't seem to come before profit when it came to Turkey and India trying to censor lol
- nateglims 3y ago
  Turkey and India have more aligned interests. This is just a foreigner doing political agitation for a more business friendly regime under a pretext of "freedom of speech".

coolbreezetft24 3y ago

Took a brief scroll through this guys posting history, comes across as very partisan - I'm gonna guess Brazil is not in fact on the brink

blastonico 3y ago
That's because they block accounts on demand, and I bet the Brazilian Supreme Court has never heard about HN before.
lobocinza 3y ago
Just because it isn't totalitarian doesn't mean it isn't authoritarian. There is no rule of law, if the STF decides to go for someone they will be the accuser, investigator, judge and even the legislator. That person will be fucked regardless of what the law says.

mrbabbage 3y ago

Here's another link, from a source that's less personally invested in the ongoing controversy: https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-challenges-brazils-order-block-certain-x-accounts-2024-04-07/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-challenges-brazils-o...

blitzo 3y ago

I'm not familiar with politics in Brazil but aren't the last guy that run the country some called him Brazil's Trump? From what I'm hear that guy is worst than the current guy which is from my perspective seems moderate. Any Brazilian care to clarify objectively?

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gverri 3y ago
Yes. Bolsonaro. The Trump from the Tropics as they call him. The guy planned a violent coup and failed. He couldn't get the all military branches to back him, just one. There's plenty of evidence and a long list of crimes. He knows he's going to jail and with him the dreams of the extreme right. To me all of this sounds like the dying scream of a cornered beast.
- andrenth 3y ago
  There not a single true statement in your comment. Why are you doing this?
  - gverri 3y ago
    https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/leonardo-sakamoto/2023/12/23/bomba-bolsonarista-que-poderia-ter-disparado-golpe-completa-um-ano-domingo.htm https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/leonardo-sakamoto/2023/1... https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/geral/noticia/2023-01/manifestantes-invadem-congresso-planalto-e-stf https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/geral/noticia/2023-01/manif... https://www.estadao.com.br/politica/blog-do-fausto-macedo/depoimentos-militares-delacao-cid-cerco-bolsonaro/ https://www.estadao.com.br/politica/blog-do-fausto-macedo/de...
    - andrenth 3y ago
      Quoting far-left bootlicker bloggers and state media will not do it man.

ufo 3y ago

This beligerance towards the supreme court and in particukar MR. Moraes is old news. For the most part, it comes from the radical right. Currently they are antsy because the supreme court is working towards prosecuting the people behind the coup attempt after Bolsonaro lost the election. It's expected that by the end of this year, Bolsonaro himself might be finally held accountable for his crimes.

andrenth 3y ago
What do you do when a country’s Supreme Court justices are criminals?
- gverri 3y ago
  What are their crimes?!
  - andrenth 3y ago
    Corruption [1,2], illegal investigations [3] and unconstitutional censorship [4]. [1]https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/02/06/politica/1486411237_003158.html https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/02/06/politica/1486411... [2]https://oantagonista.com.br/analise/toffoli-no-times-a-orgia-politico-juridica-brasileira/ https://oantagonista.com.br/analise/toffoli-no-times-a-orgia... [3]https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/instituto-politeia/inquerito-toffoli-ilegal/ https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/instituto-politeia/inquerito... [4]https://www.senado.gov.br/Relatorios_SGM/CCS/Legisla%C3%A7%C3%A3o/000_CF%20artigos%20relativos%20ao%20CCS.pdf https://www.senado.gov.br/Relatorios_SGM/CCS/Legisla%C3%A7%C... (see paragraph 2)
    - gverri 3y ago
      [1,2] If a lawyer is defending a criminal does that mean he's aiding them or somehow part of their criminal organization? It seems you don't understand how law works. The guy has been a high profile lawyer for decades before he became SJ minister. You want him to be poor?! [3] Just allegations with no substantiality. [4] He has an injunction that allows him to "censure" people and media in regards to the 2022 election. It was approved by the whole SJ court.

gverri 3y ago

I'm all for free speech. But Brazil is not the US. Brazil is a sovereign nation. We have our own laws and our people must trace its own path. The old government and its pawns tried a violent coup and failed. Now they must pay for the crimes they committed. There's not much more than that.

andrenth 3y ago
There has never been any violent coup attempt in Brazil. Stop lying. Why do you defend blatant censorship?
- gverri 3y ago
  https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/leonardo-sakamoto/2023/12/23/bomba-bolsonarista-que-poderia-ter-disparado-golpe-completa-um-ano-domingo.htm https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/leonardo-sakamoto/2023/1... https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/geral/noticia/2023-01/manifestantes-invadem-congresso-planalto-e-stf https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/geral/noticia/2023-01/manif... https://www.estadao.com.br/politica/blog-do-fausto-macedo/depoimentos-militares-delacao-cid-cerco-bolsonaro/ https://www.estadao.com.br/politica/blog-do-fausto-macedo/de...
  - andrenth 3y ago
    Quoting far-left bootlicker bloggers and state media will not do it man.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]