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Given the domination of Germany and France in EU, thank the universe it didn't. Signed, a citizen of an EU state where you can create a company by digitally si

Given the domination of Germany and France in EU, thank the universe it didn't. Signed, a citizen of an EU state where you can create a company by digitally signing one form and paying the equivalent of $300.

_a_a_a_ 3y ago
Create a company, or do you mean buy it 'off the shelf'?
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  I mean incorporation of a new company.
seszett 3y ago
It's about the same in France by the way, except that it's free.
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  Cool! My bad assuming without checking.
  - realusername 3y ago
    France is much more digitalized compared to Germany, you can't really put them in the same basket. The issue on the French side is more that they put the exact same excruciating procedures they had in paper online and didn't simplify too much in the process.
boulos 3y ago
Example: https://e-estonia.com/solutions/ease_of_doing_business/e-business-register/ https://e-estonia.com/solutions/ease_of_doing_business/e-bus...
qayxc 3y ago
> Signed, a citizen of an EU state where you can create a company by digitally signing one form and paying the equivalent of $300. You'd be surprised to hear that you can do that in Germany, too. Costs about 25€ (depends on the municipality) and takes about 30min. The blog post was referring to a very specific form of incorporation. There's not just the ones mentioned in there.
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  So a normal GmbH, which would be the equivalent of what I'm talking about, can be incorporated online for 25 EUR in 30 minutes? I thought that's what the article is about. What's so specific about the form of incorporation they are talking about? A limited liability company is the most basic form of a corporation... Sole proprietorship / self-employment can be started here for around 20 EUR too, but that's not a company. Or does Germany have some other forms of companies that I don't know?
  - qayxc 3y ago
    > Or does Germany have some other forms of companies that I don't know? There are 9 forms of companies in Germany, only two of which (GmbH and AG [stock corporation/PLC/...]) require fixed capital and a notary.
    - throwaway11460 3y ago
      There are many more in my country too, but they don't offer the liability protection and legal personality that is usually expected of "a company". What other kind of corporation could be used in Germany to do the job of a limited liability company?
ascorbic 3y ago
What they should actually do is allow anybody to register a company in any EU state and then operate in any other. Then the member states would have to compete, and Estonia would be the European Delaware. This may be theoretically possible now, but practically it's not so easy.

_a_a_a_ 3y ago

Create a company, or do you mean buy it 'off the shelf'?

throwaway11460 3y ago
I mean incorporation of a new company.

seszett 3y ago

It's about the same in France by the way, except that it's free.

throwaway11460 3y ago
Cool! My bad assuming without checking.
- realusername 3y ago
  France is much more digitalized compared to Germany, you can't really put them in the same basket. The issue on the French side is more that they put the exact same excruciating procedures they had in paper online and didn't simplify too much in the process.

boulos 3y ago

Example: https://e-estonia.com/solutions/ease_of_doing_business/e-business-register/ https://e-estonia.com/solutions/ease_of_doing_business/e-bus...

qayxc 3y ago

> Signed, a citizen of an EU state where you can create a company by digitally signing one form and paying the equivalent of $300. You'd be surprised to hear that you can do that in Germany, too. Costs about 25€ (depends on the municipality) and takes about 30min. The blog post was referring to a very specific form of incorporation. There's not just the ones mentioned in there.

throwaway11460 3y ago
So a normal GmbH, which would be the equivalent of what I'm talking about, can be incorporated online for 25 EUR in 30 minutes? I thought that's what the article is about. What's so specific about the form of incorporation they are talking about? A limited liability company is the most basic form of a corporation... Sole proprietorship / self-employment can be started here for around 20 EUR too, but that's not a company. Or does Germany have some other forms of companies that I don't know?
- qayxc 3y ago
  > Or does Germany have some other forms of companies that I don't know? There are 9 forms of companies in Germany, only two of which (GmbH and AG [stock corporation/PLC/...]) require fixed capital and a notary.
  - throwaway11460 3y ago
    There are many more in my country too, but they don't offer the liability protection and legal personality that is usually expected of "a company". What other kind of corporation could be used in Germany to do the job of a limited liability company?

ascorbic 3y ago

What they should actually do is allow anybody to register a company in any EU state and then operate in any other. Then the member states would have to compete, and Estonia would be the European Delaware. This may be theoretically possible now, but practically it's not so easy.