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>Isn't the whole point of the cloud is simplicity? Maybe for a few cloud offerings, but not for cloud in general. I think the point of the cloud is that busine

>Isn't the whole point of the cloud is simplicity? Maybe for a few cloud offerings, but not for cloud in general. I think the point of the cloud is that businesses can exchange employees for services, and shift some of the maintenance responsibility. No service is for the people who actually interact with it. It's for the ones that pay for it.

colechristensen 3y ago
No, for example, I couldn’t manage a database as well as RDS and I wouldn’t want to, I don’t believe I could hire the several people required to replicate what RDS can do as well as RDS can do it. The primary benefit of cloud though is that you don’t have to fight for or wait for capital expenditure budgets to grow, you don’t have to wait for hardware to arrive, you don’t have to negotiate with vendors, you don’t have to fight about how long you should keep old hardware or replace it, you don’t have to deal at all with the political or business aspects of managing millions of dollars of hardware. I can just go on a website and click a few buttons and have something new, and the biggest argument about it is a yearly cloud budget discussion.
- npteljes 3y ago
  I completely agree. I see this point in cloud too, and this is really missing from my original comment. Cloud is a huge enabler, and basically 0 upfront cost.
- killerstorm 3y ago
  It seems a bit odd to me that it's hard to manage a database. It's just a collection of binaries configured with a few pages of text. The configuration should be fairly similar for a typical setup. So why is it complex? I mean, is it a fundamental complexity, or is it more like "nobody bothered to write an easy configuration script", or is it learned helplessness?
  - renegade-otter 3y ago
    If the primary fails, will the replica fail over? How do you know? Are the backups working? Who's checking? Can anyone delete a directory when tired at 6PM on a Friday? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLdRBsuvVKc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLdRBsuvVKc

colechristensen 3y ago

No, for example, I couldn’t manage a database as well as RDS and I wouldn’t want to, I don’t believe I could hire the several people required to replicate what RDS can do as well as RDS can do it. The primary benefit of cloud though is that you don’t have to fight for or wait for capital expenditure budgets to grow, you don’t have to wait for hardware to arrive, you don’t have to negotiate with vendors, you don’t have to fight about how long you should keep old hardware or replace it, you don’t have to deal at all with the political or business aspects of managing millions of dollars of hardware. I can just go on a website and click a few buttons and have something new, and the biggest argument about it is a yearly cloud budget discussion.

npteljes 3y ago
I completely agree. I see this point in cloud too, and this is really missing from my original comment. Cloud is a huge enabler, and basically 0 upfront cost.
killerstorm 3y ago
It seems a bit odd to me that it's hard to manage a database. It's just a collection of binaries configured with a few pages of text. The configuration should be fairly similar for a typical setup. So why is it complex? I mean, is it a fundamental complexity, or is it more like "nobody bothered to write an easy configuration script", or is it learned helplessness?
- renegade-otter 3y ago
  If the primary fails, will the replica fail over? How do you know? Are the backups working? Who's checking? Can anyone delete a directory when tired at 6PM on a Friday? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLdRBsuvVKc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLdRBsuvVKc