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Thus the finger on the scale in the form of buyer tax breaks and import tariffs. Tesla, like most American companies, is a welfare queen.

Teever 3y ago
Then what are Chinese companies that are owned by the Chinese state? The whole paradigm of tax break sucking welfare queen loses all meaning when you're talking about the kind of corporate/government incest they you're looking at with Chinese companies.
- paxys 3y ago
  The difference is that in China the state owns these companies, whether in part or entirely. In the USA these companies get public funding but the public gets nothing in return.
  - Teever 3y ago
    You're implying that the Chinese people get a better deal out of their social contract with the Chinese state than the American people get with theirs? That's gonna be a 'press x to doubt' from me dawg.
    - paxys 3y ago
      I'm implying that Chinese people get a better deal out of state investment into auto companies that American get from theirs.
      - Teever 3y ago
        I don't think that's a reasonable claim. I think that the American people have benefited tremendously from the flawed investment that the government has made in the auto industry over it's entire existence more than the Chinese people have benefited from the Chinese investment in their auto industry. The American auto industry plays a huge role in the power that America wields around the world today, and is the corner stone of the American economy as it exists now.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
It’s up to voters whether they want to subsidize war-machine manufacturing in China (which is what vehicle building capabilities are for real politik). China subsidized their entire industry for this reason.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > China subsidized their entire industry for this reason. China is only reactive, insane ideas like solar panels being the lionshare of power generation or Electric Vehicles being the lionshare of vehicles don't come from China. Indeed they come from the U.S. or I should say the affluent areas of big costal metropolis in the US, places where people have no real, tangible problems and can afford to think what will happen in 200 years time (when both them and their kids would be sitting 6ft under becoming food for worms) and they succumb to the so called Messiah Complex
- yongjik 3y ago
  ...and if China ends up accelerating worldwide EV adoption through their ambition at war-machine industry, it would be a net win for humanity. Also, Elon Musk (with Starlink) is not a stranger to American military complex. I'm not convinced that I should get upset over Chinese carmakers getting "unfair" advantages, when America bends global trade rules all the time to protect its "national security."
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    I actually think the world would be better off if China succeeds with mass adoption of nuclear power more than EV usage.

Teever 3y ago

Then what are Chinese companies that are owned by the Chinese state? The whole paradigm of tax break sucking welfare queen loses all meaning when you're talking about the kind of corporate/government incest they you're looking at with Chinese companies.

paxys 3y ago
The difference is that in China the state owns these companies, whether in part or entirely. In the USA these companies get public funding but the public gets nothing in return.
- Teever 3y ago
  You're implying that the Chinese people get a better deal out of their social contract with the Chinese state than the American people get with theirs? That's gonna be a 'press x to doubt' from me dawg.
  - paxys 3y ago
    I'm implying that Chinese people get a better deal out of state investment into auto companies that American get from theirs.
    - Teever 3y ago
      I don't think that's a reasonable claim. I think that the American people have benefited tremendously from the flawed investment that the government has made in the auto industry over it's entire existence more than the Chinese people have benefited from the Chinese investment in their auto industry. The American auto industry plays a huge role in the power that America wields around the world today, and is the corner stone of the American economy as it exists now.

mensetmanusman 3y ago

It’s up to voters whether they want to subsidize war-machine manufacturing in China (which is what vehicle building capabilities are for real politik). China subsidized their entire industry for this reason.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > China subsidized their entire industry for this reason. China is only reactive, insane ideas like solar panels being the lionshare of power generation or Electric Vehicles being the lionshare of vehicles don't come from China. Indeed they come from the U.S. or I should say the affluent areas of big costal metropolis in the US, places where people have no real, tangible problems and can afford to think what will happen in 200 years time (when both them and their kids would be sitting 6ft under becoming food for worms) and they succumb to the so called Messiah Complex
yongjik 3y ago
...and if China ends up accelerating worldwide EV adoption through their ambition at war-machine industry, it would be a net win for humanity. Also, Elon Musk (with Starlink) is not a stranger to American military complex. I'm not convinced that I should get upset over Chinese carmakers getting "unfair" advantages, when America bends global trade rules all the time to protect its "national security."
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  I actually think the world would be better off if China succeeds with mass adoption of nuclear power more than EV usage.