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Well Nikola never made a single model past a few prototypes, while the Model Y was the world's best selling car model, for starters...

matthewdgreen 3y ago
It's simultaneously true that Tesla has delivered some very nice cars, and that they haven't been able to deliver a fully-autonomous "full self driving" experience. That's why it's so weird that they're (apparently) abandoning their plans for an affordable EV and going all in on robotaxis.
- chipdart 3y ago
  > That's why it's so weird that they're (apparently) abandoning their plans for an affordable EV and going all in on robotaxis. Tesla's track record of bait-and-switch promises and lack of credibility leads me to believe they do not have anything to show for, and the robotaxi claim is yet another desperate attempt to keep the stock prices afloat.
windexh8er 3y ago
Sold on promises that have never been delivered. And they're still selling "FSD" for an insane amount. Elon seems to be America's favorite grifter at the moment.
Moomoomoo309 3y ago
Tesla kind of cheats to get those numbers, since they don't do model years. If you did that with other cars, the model Y wouldn't come close.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  I have no idea what contortion you’re trying to get at. Just in the year 2023, Model Y outsold all other models globally. 2023 Model Y: 1.15m units 2023 Corolla: 1.13m units https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/#:~:text=Indeed%2C%20new%20market%20leader%20was,934.910%20sales%20(%2B5.9%25) https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/#:~:text=Indeed%....
- r00fus 3y ago
  No they “cheat” by only having 4 models of car you can buy (5 if you include the Cybertruck). How many models does Toyota sell? As of 2009 that was 70 different models. Not sure what the number is for 2024
bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago
Tesla also never made a single model of their truck past a few prototypes. Am I missing something?
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  About 100 have been built and PepsiCo are the first customers. They were obviously prioritizing Model Y ramp up, which went from 0 to 1.15m units in 2023, the world best selling car model, in just a couple years.
  - bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago
    Wait, are you saying you actually believe they're building those trucks? I thought it was more or less acknowledged that would never happen. If you believe this stuff you probably should put your money where your mouth is and buy some stock.
    - reducesuffering 3y ago
      Idk why you need to get conspiratorial. Tesla employees have confirmed they're using the Semi trucks to drive battery packs between Nevada and Fremont factory, and that they have a fleet of 100 of them as of 4 months ago. PepsiCo has confirmed use of them. Stock Market 101 would educate one that just because a company is doing well, doesn't mean it's balance sheet and income statement currently indicate it's a good value to buy. But yes, I did ride Tesla stock from a $40b market cap company to $700b, thanks to an educated analysis.
      - bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago
        Are you still long?
        reducesuffering 3y ago
        No. Doesn’t change the facts about the trucks that are widely known by any hedge fund algo or analyst.

matthewdgreen 3y ago

It's simultaneously true that Tesla has delivered some very nice cars, and that they haven't been able to deliver a fully-autonomous "full self driving" experience. That's why it's so weird that they're (apparently) abandoning their plans for an affordable EV and going all in on robotaxis.

chipdart 3y ago
> That's why it's so weird that they're (apparently) abandoning their plans for an affordable EV and going all in on robotaxis. Tesla's track record of bait-and-switch promises and lack of credibility leads me to believe they do not have anything to show for, and the robotaxi claim is yet another desperate attempt to keep the stock prices afloat.

windexh8er 3y ago

Sold on promises that have never been delivered. And they're still selling "FSD" for an insane amount. Elon seems to be America's favorite grifter at the moment.

Moomoomoo309 3y ago

Tesla kind of cheats to get those numbers, since they don't do model years. If you did that with other cars, the model Y wouldn't come close.

reducesuffering 3y ago
I have no idea what contortion you’re trying to get at. Just in the year 2023, Model Y outsold all other models globally. 2023 Model Y: 1.15m units 2023 Corolla: 1.13m units https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/#:~:text=Indeed%2C%20new%20market%20leader%20was,934.910%20sales%20(%2B5.9%25) https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/#:~:text=Indeed%....
r00fus 3y ago
No they “cheat” by only having 4 models of car you can buy (5 if you include the Cybertruck). How many models does Toyota sell? As of 2009 that was 70 different models. Not sure what the number is for 2024

bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago

Tesla also never made a single model of their truck past a few prototypes. Am I missing something?

reducesuffering 3y ago
About 100 have been built and PepsiCo are the first customers. They were obviously prioritizing Model Y ramp up, which went from 0 to 1.15m units in 2023, the world best selling car model, in just a couple years.
- bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago
  Wait, are you saying you actually believe they're building those trucks? I thought it was more or less acknowledged that would never happen. If you believe this stuff you probably should put your money where your mouth is and buy some stock.
  - reducesuffering 3y ago
    Idk why you need to get conspiratorial. Tesla employees have confirmed they're using the Semi trucks to drive battery packs between Nevada and Fremont factory, and that they have a fleet of 100 of them as of 4 months ago. PepsiCo has confirmed use of them. Stock Market 101 would educate one that just because a company is doing well, doesn't mean it's balance sheet and income statement currently indicate it's a good value to buy. But yes, I did ride Tesla stock from a $40b market cap company to $700b, thanks to an educated analysis.
    - bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago
      Are you still long?
      - reducesuffering 3y ago
        No. Doesn’t change the facts about the trucks that are widely known by any hedge fund algo or analyst.