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It’s not like Nintendo will sue Apple for using an emulator with copyrighted ROMs are facilitating pirating…

galleywest200 3y ago
Nintendo generally leaves the retro, unsupported console emulators alone. mGBA, Project64, Dolphin (except for their request to take down their steam page).
- jsheard 3y ago
  Case in point: there's an endless list of Nintendo system emulators on the Play Store, many of which have been up for years with no issues. I'm sure Nintendo would prefer they weren't available on there, but as long as they don't distribute any copyrighted files or keys Nintendo can't really make a compelling case to Google that they shouldn't be allowed.
  - extraduder_ire 3y ago
    Thanks to the DMCA, they wouldn't need to make the case to google, just send a notice and they're obligated to comply. The dispute would be between the uploader and nintendo once a takedown is sent, and maybe counter-claimed.
38 3y ago
this sentence makes no sense
ghusto 3y ago
That's right, it's not like that. Nintendo sues when they know they can win, as in the Yuzu debacle where keys were extracted and distributed in order for the emulator to work. There's nothing like that necessary for NES, SNES, or even (as far as I know) N64 or Wii. So no, Nintendo would not sue.
- suction 3y ago
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- roblabla 3y ago
  Dolphin ships with a bunch of keys in the source code[0]. So do almost every other emulators for any console from 6/7th gen consoles (ps3, xbox360, gamecube), see delroth's post on the matter here[1]. It's really not that simple - jurisdiction matters a lot, and also Nintendo's own priorities. [0]: https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/34527cadcce49a9a78f05949973b0930ac4dd999/Source/Core/Core/IOS/IOSC.cpp#L575 https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/34527cadcce49a9a... [1]: https://delroth.net/posts/emulation-crypto-keys-copyright-dmca/#content-start https://delroth.net/posts/emulation-crypto-keys-copyright-dm...
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    And it’s no longer available on Steam after Nintendo complained https://www.pcgamer.com/after-being-kicked-off-steam-dolphin-emulator-devs-say-nintendos-legal-claim-is-a-reach-now-that-we-have-talked-to-a-lawyer-we-are-no-longer-concerned/ https://www.pcgamer.com/after-being-kicked-off-steam-dolphin...
- bitmasher9 3y ago
  There is more money in having Nintendo be happy to support iPhone platform with games than having them feel insulted over a low revenue app that is also on the platform.
- chongli 3y ago
  Nintendo will not need to sue because they know that the only way Apple will ever allow a NES, SNES, or N64 emulator is if Nintendo publishes it themselves and offers their own games for it through IAPs.
boomlinde 3y ago
An NES emulator, for example, would not require the inclusion of anything copyright protected, since there is no built-in system program code. An NES emulator app could instead offer the user to manually install games in the app sandbox, like ScummVM does today, with no concern for whether they were obtained legally or not.

Nintendo generally leaves the retro, unsupported console emulators alone. mGBA, Project64, Dolphin (except for their request to take down their steam page).

jsheard 3y ago
Case in point: there's an endless list of Nintendo system emulators on the Play Store, many of which have been up for years with no issues. I'm sure Nintendo would prefer they weren't available on there, but as long as they don't distribute any copyrighted files or keys Nintendo can't really make a compelling case to Google that they shouldn't be allowed.
- extraduder_ire 3y ago
  Thanks to the DMCA, they wouldn't need to make the case to google, just send a notice and they're obligated to comply. The dispute would be between the uploader and nintendo once a takedown is sent, and maybe counter-claimed.

38 3y ago

this sentence makes no sense

ghusto 3y ago

That's right, it's not like that. Nintendo sues when they know they can win, as in the Yuzu debacle where keys were extracted and distributed in order for the emulator to work. There's nothing like that necessary for NES, SNES, or even (as far as I know) N64 or Wii. So no, Nintendo would not sue.

suction 3y ago
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roblabla 3y ago
Dolphin ships with a bunch of keys in the source code[0]. So do almost every other emulators for any console from 6/7th gen consoles (ps3, xbox360, gamecube), see delroth's post on the matter here[1]. It's really not that simple - jurisdiction matters a lot, and also Nintendo's own priorities. [0]: https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/34527cadcce49a9a78f05949973b0930ac4dd999/Source/Core/Core/IOS/IOSC.cpp#L575 https://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/34527cadcce49a9a... [1]: https://delroth.net/posts/emulation-crypto-keys-copyright-dmca/#content-start https://delroth.net/posts/emulation-crypto-keys-copyright-dm...
- scarface_74 3y ago
  And it’s no longer available on Steam after Nintendo complained https://www.pcgamer.com/after-being-kicked-off-steam-dolphin-emulator-devs-say-nintendos-legal-claim-is-a-reach-now-that-we-have-talked-to-a-lawyer-we-are-no-longer-concerned/ https://www.pcgamer.com/after-being-kicked-off-steam-dolphin...
bitmasher9 3y ago
There is more money in having Nintendo be happy to support iPhone platform with games than having them feel insulted over a low revenue app that is also on the platform.
chongli 3y ago
Nintendo will not need to sue because they know that the only way Apple will ever allow a NES, SNES, or N64 emulator is if Nintendo publishes it themselves and offers their own games for it through IAPs.

boomlinde 3y ago

An NES emulator, for example, would not require the inclusion of anything copyright protected, since there is no built-in system program code. An NES emulator app could instead offer the user to manually install games in the app sandbox, like ScummVM does today, with no concern for whether they were obtained legally or not.