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state-sponsored organizations in this space could be usually military-like organizational structure that has people with dedication and motivation unlike corpor

state-sponsored organizations in this space could be usually military-like organizational structure that has people with dedication and motivation unlike corporate workers. command structure can mean less bureaucracy (can also mean more bureaucracy too in some ways) when it is directly aligned with their mission. national patriotism motivations mean they are more dedicated and focused than a typical corporate worker. so yeah, there would be quality differences.

varjag 3y ago
Patriots for the most part suck at coding as much as everyone else.
- DyslexicAtheist 3y ago
  not just at coding. as a class of people, they tend to not be the sharpest tools in the shed.
  - voakbasda 3y ago
    And necessarily at that. A well-educated person will not swallow the nationalist dogma as easily.
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orbital-decay 3y ago
I would say you put too much faith into military-like organization as well. However, from what I can tell it's usually just ordinary security researchers and devs with dubious morals (some are probably even former cybercriminals) that usually don't even have the need-to-know and aren't necessarily aware of every single aspect of their work. The entire thing is likely compartmentalized to hell. You can't conjure quality from nothing (especially if it's pure patriotism/jingoism), large organizations are bound to work with mediocrities and dysfunctional processes, geniuses don't scale. (I feel like stating the obvious)
- DyslexicAtheist 3y ago
  > it's usually just ordinary security researchers and devs with dubious morals (some are probably even former cybercriminals) not sure if we should easily judge offsec and the private-public partnership that provides intel and offensive capabilities. whether they're ex-criminals or must be accused of "dubious morals" would depend whether their clients (or targets) are what one considers the enemy. and what about the guy who silently works on a "dubious project" patiently for years ... and then, at the right moment, knowingly throws a spanner in the works? aren't they the true hero?

varjag 3y ago

Patriots for the most part suck at coding as much as everyone else.

DyslexicAtheist 3y ago
not just at coding. as a class of people, they tend to not be the sharpest tools in the shed.
- voakbasda 3y ago
  And necessarily at that. A well-educated person will not swallow the nationalist dogma as easily.

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orbital-decay 3y ago

I would say you put too much faith into military-like organization as well. However, from what I can tell it's usually just ordinary security researchers and devs with dubious morals (some are probably even former cybercriminals) that usually don't even have the need-to-know and aren't necessarily aware of every single aspect of their work. The entire thing is likely compartmentalized to hell. You can't conjure quality from nothing (especially if it's pure patriotism/jingoism), large organizations are bound to work with mediocrities and dysfunctional processes, geniuses don't scale. (I feel like stating the obvious)

DyslexicAtheist 3y ago
> it's usually just ordinary security researchers and devs with dubious morals (some are probably even former cybercriminals) not sure if we should easily judge offsec and the private-public partnership that provides intel and offensive capabilities. whether they're ex-criminals or must be accused of "dubious morals" would depend whether their clients (or targets) are what one considers the enemy. and what about the guy who silently works on a "dubious project" patiently for years ... and then, at the right moment, knowingly throws a spanner in the works? aren't they the true hero?