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> there isn’t any massive current innovation that would spur you to go buy a new laptop Famous last words, stated one month before HP/Dell/Lenovo/Asus/Samsung

> there isn’t any massive current innovation that would spur you to go buy a new laptop Famous last words, stated one month before HP/Dell/Lenovo/Asus/Samsung launch the first Arm-Qualcomm laptops with UEFI, upstream Linux and Windows 11 support, including "AI" silicon and optional LTE modems. Hopefully they will be competitive in performance-per-watt with Apple M3, minus the walled garden.

iLoveOncall 3y ago
Literally not 0.1% of their customers would even understand half of your sentence let alone care about any of it.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  That’s a marketing/sales problem though.
  - _factor 3y ago
    It’s also a ARM problem.
    - viraptor 3y ago
      We'll see how well integrated it is. We've already seen the "gaming on arm" demos with Intel games that just work through rosetta-like translation. It may not be a big problem at all. Especially these days if you get .net, electron and basic winapi working, that's a huge amount of office/productivity apps covered.
- walterbell 3y ago
  Sentence for Linux audience. Best Buy customers will understand battery life, performance and shiny "AI" features, thanks to Microsoft marketing.
Rinzler89 3y ago
>Arm-Qualcomm laptops [...] upstream Linux [...] minus the walled garden You clearly never witnessed Qualcomm's MO. They're the kings of manufacturing proprietary bullshit standards paralel to the open ones, closed firmware blobs and providing next to no Linux support. If this is what the PC future looks like, you can keep your ARM laptops, I'll gladly stick to ye' olde X86, where I can plug in a USB stick and install any OS I want without worries.
- walterbell 3y ago
  Old dogs can learn new tricks to compete with Apple, https://www.phoronix.com/news/Qualcomm-Mainline-Linux-2024 https://www.phoronix.com/news/Qualcomm-Mainline-Linux-2024 They have publicly promised upstream Linux support for Elite X at launch. > I'll gladly stick to ye' olde X86, where I can plug in a USB stick and install any OS I want without worries. We'll find out soon if these new Arm laptops can bridge that compatibility gap thanks to UEFI and Arm SystemReady.
  - throwaway48476 3y ago
    Qualcomm won't learn anything. They're a patent licensing firm masquerading as a tech company. Customer satisfaction is so far down their list of priorities they will never make a good product. I knew they would fuck it up the moment they bought Nuvia and confirmed it when the PMIC issue became public.
    - walterbell 3y ago
      Unlike Android phone OEMs with a culture of closed Arm hardware, the PC OEMs who have signed up to create Qualcomm-Nuvia laptops come from a culture of decades of relatively open and repairable x86 hardware. Some PC OEMs support large enterprise customers with stringent requirements for deployed devices. We don't need to declare defeat before the starter gun has even been fired. By several accounts, Apple is about to allow 1TB/$2000 iPad Pros to run MacOS VMs, which will likely expose silicon support for nested virtualization that can run Linux and other Arm VMs. Despite silicon support shipping for years in iPads, Apple has refused customer requests to enable VMs on iPads. Until 2024, where Apple delayed iPad Pro OLED launch to May 6th, ahead of Qualcomm/MS May 20th launch of Surface Pro with Windows 11 + Linux VMs. It's a bizarre world where Qualcomm+Microsoft can offer the least-closed Arm laptop to run multiple bare-metal and virtualized operating systems, but here we are. If Qualcomm and PC OEMs can push Apple to be more open, all customers will benefit. If enough customers buy PC Arm laptops for OS flexibility and performance-per-watt of battery life, the revenue and OEM/customer pressure may push Qualcomm into a less-closed direction.
olyjohn 3y ago
You just said a bunch of stuff that normal people don't care about. Those are Best Buy's customers. The store will be stocked with shitty laptops and low end hardware that anybody who works with computers wouldn't touch.
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HumblyTossed 3y ago
Qualcomm is the reason that for years Google couldn't offer more than 2 or 3 years of updates for their phones.

iLoveOncall 3y ago

Literally not 0.1% of their customers would even understand half of your sentence let alone care about any of it.

withinboredom 3y ago
That’s a marketing/sales problem though.
- _factor 3y ago
  It’s also a ARM problem.
  - viraptor 3y ago
    We'll see how well integrated it is. We've already seen the "gaming on arm" demos with Intel games that just work through rosetta-like translation. It may not be a big problem at all. Especially these days if you get .net, electron and basic winapi working, that's a huge amount of office/productivity apps covered.
walterbell 3y ago
Sentence for Linux audience. Best Buy customers will understand battery life, performance and shiny "AI" features, thanks to Microsoft marketing.

Rinzler89 3y ago

>Arm-Qualcomm laptops [...] upstream Linux [...] minus the walled garden You clearly never witnessed Qualcomm's MO. They're the kings of manufacturing proprietary bullshit standards paralel to the open ones, closed firmware blobs and providing next to no Linux support. If this is what the PC future looks like, you can keep your ARM laptops, I'll gladly stick to ye' olde X86, where I can plug in a USB stick and install any OS I want without worries.

walterbell 3y ago
Old dogs can learn new tricks to compete with Apple, https://www.phoronix.com/news/Qualcomm-Mainline-Linux-2024 https://www.phoronix.com/news/Qualcomm-Mainline-Linux-2024 They have publicly promised upstream Linux support for Elite X at launch. > I'll gladly stick to ye' olde X86, where I can plug in a USB stick and install any OS I want without worries. We'll find out soon if these new Arm laptops can bridge that compatibility gap thanks to UEFI and Arm SystemReady.
- throwaway48476 3y ago
  Qualcomm won't learn anything. They're a patent licensing firm masquerading as a tech company. Customer satisfaction is so far down their list of priorities they will never make a good product. I knew they would fuck it up the moment they bought Nuvia and confirmed it when the PMIC issue became public.
  - walterbell 3y ago
    Unlike Android phone OEMs with a culture of closed Arm hardware, the PC OEMs who have signed up to create Qualcomm-Nuvia laptops come from a culture of decades of relatively open and repairable x86 hardware. Some PC OEMs support large enterprise customers with stringent requirements for deployed devices. We don't need to declare defeat before the starter gun has even been fired. By several accounts, Apple is about to allow 1TB/$2000 iPad Pros to run MacOS VMs, which will likely expose silicon support for nested virtualization that can run Linux and other Arm VMs. Despite silicon support shipping for years in iPads, Apple has refused customer requests to enable VMs on iPads. Until 2024, where Apple delayed iPad Pro OLED launch to May 6th, ahead of Qualcomm/MS May 20th launch of Surface Pro with Windows 11 + Linux VMs. It's a bizarre world where Qualcomm+Microsoft can offer the least-closed Arm laptop to run multiple bare-metal and virtualized operating systems, but here we are. If Qualcomm and PC OEMs can push Apple to be more open, all customers will benefit. If enough customers buy PC Arm laptops for OS flexibility and performance-per-watt of battery life, the revenue and OEM/customer pressure may push Qualcomm into a less-closed direction.

olyjohn 3y ago

You just said a bunch of stuff that normal people don't care about. Those are Best Buy's customers. The store will be stocked with shitty laptops and low end hardware that anybody who works with computers wouldn't touch.

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HumblyTossed 3y ago

Qualcomm is the reason that for years Google couldn't offer more than 2 or 3 years of updates for their phones.