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There are counterexamples yes. The almost monopoly on open source hosting. If Github goes down every day for an hour, companies will move to Gitlab. Obviously i

There are counterexamples yes. The almost monopoly on open source hosting. If Github goes down every day for an hour, companies will move to Gitlab. Obviously in business there are power dynamics. I queued for an hour to get an ice cream once. That seller was in a kids water park. Yet McDonalds did a hockey stick because they solved fast food. There are always exceptions where a business has you. Nice to own such a business!

iforgotpassword 3y ago
> If Github goes down every day for an hour Now that's what I call moving the goalposts :) suddenly we're at an hour a day. Github wasn't the first OSS hosting platform, yet they managed to steal the show, and let me tell you a secret, it wasn't because they had less downtime than others. But if you want to keep telling yourself five nines is of utmost importance to your startup, more power to you.
- datascienced 3y ago
  Yes the goalposts move if you run a near monopoly with a huge mindshare. Let’s say you want an electric toothbrush. Amazon is down, you order from kmart or something. If Github is down you don’t simply migrate your entire Ci/Cd/code/issues/actions to something else. You are locked in! So they can afford crappier goalposts, but only so crappy.
  - iforgotpassword 3y ago
    You again moved the goalposts. First you suddenly argued I would move away from Github if they were down for an hour every day, when before, the question was whether a short downtime once a month would be acceptable or drive away customers. And now you suddenly say for Github those moved goalposts (ie one hour downtime per day) are acceptable because I'm already locked in, so contrary to your previous comment, I would not move to gitlab. But it seems you already decided you want to die on that hill, so you'll keep changing your story willy nilly.
    - datascienced 3y ago
      I think you are arguing against a strawman of the worst interpretation of what I said. Which means we’d have to have a cross-examination type debate that I ain’t got the energy for. You are assuming that there is a single thing called downtime (not a scale of slightly bad to outrageous) and a single set of considerations as to whether to move.

iforgotpassword 3y ago

> If Github goes down every day for an hour Now that's what I call moving the goalposts :) suddenly we're at an hour a day. Github wasn't the first OSS hosting platform, yet they managed to steal the show, and let me tell you a secret, it wasn't because they had less downtime than others. But if you want to keep telling yourself five nines is of utmost importance to your startup, more power to you.

datascienced 3y ago
Yes the goalposts move if you run a near monopoly with a huge mindshare. Let’s say you want an electric toothbrush. Amazon is down, you order from kmart or something. If Github is down you don’t simply migrate your entire Ci/Cd/code/issues/actions to something else. You are locked in! So they can afford crappier goalposts, but only so crappy.
- iforgotpassword 3y ago
  You again moved the goalposts. First you suddenly argued I would move away from Github if they were down for an hour every day, when before, the question was whether a short downtime once a month would be acceptable or drive away customers. And now you suddenly say for Github those moved goalposts (ie one hour downtime per day) are acceptable because I'm already locked in, so contrary to your previous comment, I would not move to gitlab. But it seems you already decided you want to die on that hill, so you'll keep changing your story willy nilly.
  - datascienced 3y ago
    I think you are arguing against a strawman of the worst interpretation of what I said. Which means we’d have to have a cross-examination type debate that I ain’t got the energy for. You are assuming that there is a single thing called downtime (not a scale of slightly bad to outrageous) and a single set of considerations as to whether to move.