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This seems like it should be unspoken. It's a shame we have to legislate it. Some of the worst abuse comes from service work where you can be called in on your

This seems like it should be unspoken. It's a shame we have to legislate it. Some of the worst abuse comes from service work where you can be called in on your day off. This is the white collar reflection.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
US productivity gains comes from normalized worker exploitation. It’ll only be fixed with legislation and organizing. It is a shame the people exist who take advantage, and as long as they exist, a box must be put around them with policy to protect the rest of us from them. But so long as democracy works, that should be possible, simply due to math.
- hackable_sand 2y ago
  You would have to expand on the math part but I think I agree. Like any system, economic systems have the potential to collapse to a vacuum state (which is big bad in this context). The practical solution is an alignment of incentives and goals. How do we work towards an economy and social structures that are fault-tolerant at an abstract level? Can failing economic systems achieve stability by merging with upstream principles of provable market dynamics? This paper is interesting: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5051728/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5051728/ Although I think it needs much more research in economic theory. People take advantage, commit violence, organize at a high level to constrain market dynamics. The free market is largely a myth to begin with. Can we open gateways to participation by liquidating or distributing assets in a non-violent way? Maybe we can invest in non-tangible assets such as life-expectancy or a happiness index. Maybe we can steer existing markets towards longevity and away from short-term profit extraction. The potential is huge, but risks destabilization and unknown reformation. Unions seem like a great solution in the US economic system. We're in for an exciting few decades.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

US productivity gains comes from normalized worker exploitation. It’ll only be fixed with legislation and organizing. It is a shame the people exist who take advantage, and as long as they exist, a box must be put around them with policy to protect the rest of us from them. But so long as democracy works, that should be possible, simply due to math.

hackable_sand 2y ago
You would have to expand on the math part but I think I agree. Like any system, economic systems have the potential to collapse to a vacuum state (which is big bad in this context). The practical solution is an alignment of incentives and goals. How do we work towards an economy and social structures that are fault-tolerant at an abstract level? Can failing economic systems achieve stability by merging with upstream principles of provable market dynamics? This paper is interesting: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5051728/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5051728/ Although I think it needs much more research in economic theory. People take advantage, commit violence, organize at a high level to constrain market dynamics. The free market is largely a myth to begin with. Can we open gateways to participation by liquidating or distributing assets in a non-violent way? Maybe we can invest in non-tangible assets such as life-expectancy or a happiness index. Maybe we can steer existing markets towards longevity and away from short-term profit extraction. The potential is huge, but risks destabilization and unknown reformation. Unions seem like a great solution in the US economic system. We're in for an exciting few decades.