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But this is dangerous. There are many „Jia Tans“ out there who would love to continue maintenance of those projects with the full community.

by planb 3y ago

stavros 3y ago
Yeah, we always knew there were. Open source can't stop existing because there are bad actors.
- sevg 3y ago
  So you're saying that if projects continue choosing to sunset without handing over the keys to the kingdom, open source will stop existing? This is simply not even close to true. Edit: I can't reply to your reply, so here will do. You've completely ignored my main point. I get that you want projects to pass on the torch, but saying open source will otherwise die is ridiculous.
  - stavros 3y ago
    "Continue choosing to sunset"? A large amount of projects does not sunset, it gets passed on instead.
wolverine876 3y ago
There are accidents on the highway, planes crash, fires in buildings, etc. Let's reason about Jia Tan - a problem, not a danger to all of FOSS - not, like everything else these days, just embrace ignorant fears. It's cool to destroy social trust, to deny it and abandon it. The counterargument is right in front of your nose - the incredible, infinite, world-changing world of FOSS. Think of all those amazing projects, social trust working over and over and over. You're going to throw all that out over one guy? The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
- planb 3y ago
  This is not what I meant. But I prefer a fork of an abandoned project which needs to gain new trust to be installed instead of a new release pushed through an auto update after 3 years that installs malware. The parent comment was not about someone from the community taking over (which to be honest was the case in the xz story) but about posting the project on a „projects without maintenance“ site for any random person to take control.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    That all makes sense. I agree about the fork.

But this is dangerous. There are many „Jia Tans“ out there who would love to continue maintenance of those projects with the full community.

by planb 3y ago

But this is dangerous. There are many „Jia Tans“ out there who would love to continue maintenance of those projects with the full community.

stavros 3y ago

Yeah, we always knew there were. Open source can't stop existing because there are bad actors.

sevg 3y ago
So you're saying that if projects continue choosing to sunset without handing over the keys to the kingdom, open source will stop existing? This is simply not even close to true. Edit: I can't reply to your reply, so here will do. You've completely ignored my main point. I get that you want projects to pass on the torch, but saying open source will otherwise die is ridiculous.
- stavros 3y ago
  "Continue choosing to sunset"? A large amount of projects does not sunset, it gets passed on instead.

wolverine876 3y ago

There are accidents on the highway, planes crash, fires in buildings, etc. Let's reason about Jia Tan - a problem, not a danger to all of FOSS - not, like everything else these days, just embrace ignorant fears. It's cool to destroy social trust, to deny it and abandon it. The counterargument is right in front of your nose - the incredible, infinite, world-changing world of FOSS. Think of all those amazing projects, social trust working over and over and over. You're going to throw all that out over one guy? The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

planb 3y ago
This is not what I meant. But I prefer a fork of an abandoned project which needs to gain new trust to be installed instead of a new release pushed through an auto update after 3 years that installs malware. The parent comment was not about someone from the community taking over (which to be honest was the case in the xz story) but about posting the project on a „projects without maintenance“ site for any random person to take control.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  That all makes sense. I agree about the fork.