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It becomes very obvious when you start to analyze along economic lines instead of intersectional ones A white woman growing up poor in a trailer park and a bla

It becomes very obvious when you start to analyze along economic lines instead of intersectional ones A white woman growing up poor in a trailer park and a black woman growing up poor in the inner city are more likely to have similar struggles than the poor black woman and an upper middle class black woman The upper middle class black woman is the one who is the token representation in a professional setting. She imagines her struggles represent the struggles of the poor black woman, but they don't She probably did struggle more than her upper class white female colleagues, but her struggles were almost certainly very different from poor black women's struggles So we wind up chasing our tails with these DEI initiatives, when the problems they claim to solve aren't about race diversity really. They're about class. You can't solve class problems by treating them as race problems

yieldcrv 3y ago
Glad to see someone else make that observation Misdiagnosing these things just because of a disproportionate impact to a marginalized group has limited efficacy because it relies on indicting the hearts and minds of people that don’t feel or think in the imagined way to begin with. So yeah these initiatives wind up going in circles, and losing support of would be allies because it’s based on demonizing them hoping they continually atone for something ambiguous. And even in your example, this is a good highlight, some upper middle class black people try to distance themselves from other black people based on dialect but specifically talking down on vernacular English. if you know what you’re looking at the same occurs with some of our Indian population such that Seattle got that anti caste discrimination law passed specifically to point out that we’re not going to accept the rampant denial of India’s problems replicated in the US the only reason this stuff flies is because the self proclaimed progressive people aren't listening or understanding the people they want to include. they're performing rituals for each other. they’re unwilling to see their own efforts as unproductive or even counterproductive as they're too busy distancing themselves from apathetic people and overtly exclusionary people. just listen to the affected groups, heavily scrutinize if someone’s comfort is at the expense of someone else’s, such as “why are we privileging theirs” and if the reason is sexist or racial then you’ve found a flaw in the entire logic from the so called progressive, which you can use as leverage against them in their own performative circles

yieldcrv 3y ago

Glad to see someone else make that observation Misdiagnosing these things just because of a disproportionate impact to a marginalized group has limited efficacy because it relies on indicting the hearts and minds of people that don’t feel or think in the imagined way to begin with. So yeah these initiatives wind up going in circles, and losing support of would be allies because it’s based on demonizing them hoping they continually atone for something ambiguous. And even in your example, this is a good highlight, some upper middle class black people try to distance themselves from other black people based on dialect but specifically talking down on vernacular English. if you know what you’re looking at the same occurs with some of our Indian population such that Seattle got that anti caste discrimination law passed specifically to point out that we’re not going to accept the rampant denial of India’s problems replicated in the US the only reason this stuff flies is because the self proclaimed progressive people aren't listening or understanding the people they want to include. they're performing rituals for each other. they’re unwilling to see their own efforts as unproductive or even counterproductive as they're too busy distancing themselves from apathetic people and overtly exclusionary people. just listen to the affected groups, heavily scrutinize if someone’s comfort is at the expense of someone else’s, such as “why are we privileging theirs” and if the reason is sexist or racial then you’ve found a flaw in the entire logic from the so called progressive, which you can use as leverage against them in their own performative circles