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The funny thing is jwz's DNA Lounge broadcasts from their venue at all times - and this is a feature. I have to admit that my wife and I once used that to figu

by sriramk 14y ago

The funny thing is jwz's DNA Lounge broadcasts from their venue at all times - and this is a feature. I have to admit that my wife and I once used that to figure out whether we want to figure out whether we want to go or not.

jrockway 14y ago
People react to things differently when given a reason. Imagine you are out walking around, and someone comes up to you and shoes you as hard as they can. You trip and fall and get mad. The pusher explains, "I hate all white people!" You are probably not going to feel too good about being pushed. But imagine the pusher had a different reason: "Those bricks were going to fall right on top of you! I saved your life." Chances are, you're going to be pretty happy about being pushed. It's all about the reason. Going back to the DNA Lounge; people don't mind being recorded and broadcast because they 1) sign up in advance (it's the DNA Lounge's "thing"), and 2) they do it for their own entertainment. They can call a friend and say, "hey, check me out on the webcam", which is fun. When the cameras are there to increase the bar's profit margins by collecting personal information, though, people are less likely to be happy. They're giving something up but getting nothing in exchange. Most people don't like that. If the deal was, "we record your face, you get the cheapest beer in town", then people would be less upset. But when you use people as currency and don't give them anything in exchange, the value proposition center of their brain tends not to be happy.
- waterlesscloud 14y ago
  I'm very skeptical it can offer any meaningful information to a halfway decent bar general manager. Someone who's in the place every night anyway.
- dsrguru 14y ago
  The whole point is that the customers are getting something in return. They open their mobile device and look up which venues have people at the moment, so they know where to go. In fact, it sounds like that's the only thing this app does. The only problem is what rdl said--that some customers might think the cameras are actually doing some kind of facial recognition and storing the results (which you wouldn't get from the regular security cameras already at those places) as opposed to just counting how many customers each place has. But then again, customers who aren't going to trust the maker of this app might as well assume that the government is also secretly connecting all street cameras to facial recognition software with huge hard drives to spy on us. Which could be true, but if those people are already willing to go out in public with their faces oncovered, they shouldn't be further afraid of going to these bars.
fruchtose 14y ago
> I have to admit that my wife and I once used that to figure out whether we want to figure out whether we want to go or not. Did you get the memo for the pre-meeting meeting planning session?
- sriramk 14y ago
  Argh. Deserved that.

by sriramk 14y ago

jrockway 14y ago

People react to things differently when given a reason. Imagine you are out walking around, and someone comes up to you and shoes you as hard as they can. You trip and fall and get mad. The pusher explains, "I hate all white people!" You are probably not going to feel too good about being pushed. But imagine the pusher had a different reason: "Those bricks were going to fall right on top of you! I saved your life." Chances are, you're going to be pretty happy about being pushed. It's all about the reason. Going back to the DNA Lounge; people don't mind being recorded and broadcast because they 1) sign up in advance (it's the DNA Lounge's "thing"), and 2) they do it for their own entertainment. They can call a friend and say, "hey, check me out on the webcam", which is fun. When the cameras are there to increase the bar's profit margins by collecting personal information, though, people are less likely to be happy. They're giving something up but getting nothing in exchange. Most people don't like that. If the deal was, "we record your face, you get the cheapest beer in town", then people would be less upset. But when you use people as currency and don't give them anything in exchange, the value proposition center of their brain tends not to be happy.

waterlesscloud 14y ago
I'm very skeptical it can offer any meaningful information to a halfway decent bar general manager. Someone who's in the place every night anyway.
dsrguru 14y ago
The whole point is that the customers are getting something in return. They open their mobile device and look up which venues have people at the moment, so they know where to go. In fact, it sounds like that's the only thing this app does. The only problem is what rdl said--that some customers might think the cameras are actually doing some kind of facial recognition and storing the results (which you wouldn't get from the regular security cameras already at those places) as opposed to just counting how many customers each place has. But then again, customers who aren't going to trust the maker of this app might as well assume that the government is also secretly connecting all street cameras to facial recognition software with huge hard drives to spy on us. Which could be true, but if those people are already willing to go out in public with their faces oncovered, they shouldn't be further afraid of going to these bars.

fruchtose 14y ago

> I have to admit that my wife and I once used that to figure out whether we want to figure out whether we want to go or not. Did you get the memo for the pre-meeting meeting planning session?

sriramk 14y ago
Argh. Deserved that.