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All my life I considered myself on a particular side of the political spectrum in my country. My main values haven't changed, still, now I'm considered to be st

All my life I considered myself on a particular side of the political spectrum in my country. My main values haven't changed, still, now I'm considered to be standing on the other side of the spectrum compared to where I was 10 years ago.

ijijijjij 3y ago
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- yieldcrv 3y ago
  one way I’ve been able to have productive conversations around partisans for longer is to say “everyone can see how the sides are different, its valid to be more bothered by the ways they are the same”
- poulsbohemian 3y ago
  Maybe at the national level, but at the state level the two parties couldn’t be more different. And, I’d argue a major reason at the national level why their actions appear similar is an artifact of the system - our system is designed to be agonizingly slow and produce compromises that don’t make anyone happy. Thus we end up with the two radically different parties having to move a glacier up a hill trying to get anything close to what either wants.
gizajob 3y ago
“It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." - Robert Anton Wilson
- smegger001 3y ago
  Idk, I used to consider myself a moderate conservative but over there last few administrations I have somehow become considered liberal because the right has embraced the bad crazy to the point I find more in common with the far left now than I do any politicians that call themselves conservative.
  - entropicgravity 3y ago
    All households run on the edicts of Communism. "From each according to their ability; to each according to their need". Unfortunately, it doesn't scale.
  - pcthrowaway 3y ago
    That's quite a swing; actually I sometimes think the far right and far left are closer in some ways (tendency towards authoritarianism) than anywhere closer to the center. If you went from center-right to far left that's as close to a full 180 on the political spectrum as I can think of.
- PartiallyTyped 3y ago
  It's amusing. The older I grow, the more to "the left" I move.
ggm 3y ago
The overton window shift is real. There is a brilliant chart of R/D shift against "left/right" concepts.
dudul 3y ago
If your values haven't changed what have you changed your mind about?
xchip 3y ago
Did, basically before you had no money, and thought people with money should share his with you and, now you have money and you don't want it to be taken away
- datascienced 3y ago
  I believe both :-)
tsycho 3y ago
It's amusing that most of the child commenters assume that you switched from left to right, while you were (intentionally) neutral about that.
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  It's pretty reasonable to guess How many Right-Wing beliefs could you hold 10 years ago that are remotely close to anything Left-wing today? I cant think of anything But there is definitely a trend of people who considered themselves center-left leaning 10-20 years ago feeling politically homeless as the left has pushed away from them and embraced some more radical ideas
  - poulsbohemian 3y ago
    I hear this all the time, but I never see any support for it - what exactly are these radical leftist ideas that have taken hold of our politics? And, between the two parties, which one do you believe has shifted more in the last say, twenty years? What we are actually seeing is center-right people feeling homeless and joining the Democrats, or at least no longer seeing themselves as Republicans. Bill Clinton shifted the Democrats a good distance to the right and in the time since he left office, it’s been more a very, very gradual retreat back to more traditional positions of the left. Don’t mistake campaigning or messaging for actual party policy.
    - bluefirebrand 3y ago
      Maybe you're right, probably this is really just a matter of perspective and personal opinion of what "left" and "right" mean All I know is that for a lot of people that I've spoken to they used to vote for leftist parties, and now they think those parties don't represent what they want anymore The reason you never see anyone offer support for this is because of cancel culture, by the way. People are not going to state publicly which of their beliefs or opinions disagree with the current cultural shifts because large groups of people have proven they will target you, try to get you fired, try to get SWAT called to your house, and other such stuff There is no upside to sharing potentially volatile political beliefs and some pretty serious potential downside And yes, a lot of that behavior is coming from people with very vocal leftist attitudes
cmpalmer52 3y ago
I went from a moderate fiscally conservative libertarian to a pretty far left liberal as I got older. Now I’m 57 and my conservative friends (the ones I still have), jokingly call me “Comrade”. It’s the opposite course from most of them, who got more conservative as they got older.
bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago
Sounds like the world is moving in a certain direction and you didn't move at all. Now you know how the people you decried when you were young feel.

ijijijjij 3y ago

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yieldcrv 3y ago
one way I’ve been able to have productive conversations around partisans for longer is to say “everyone can see how the sides are different, its valid to be more bothered by the ways they are the same”
poulsbohemian 3y ago
Maybe at the national level, but at the state level the two parties couldn’t be more different. And, I’d argue a major reason at the national level why their actions appear similar is an artifact of the system - our system is designed to be agonizingly slow and produce compromises that don’t make anyone happy. Thus we end up with the two radically different parties having to move a glacier up a hill trying to get anything close to what either wants.

gizajob 3y ago

“It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." - Robert Anton Wilson

smegger001 3y ago
Idk, I used to consider myself a moderate conservative but over there last few administrations I have somehow become considered liberal because the right has embraced the bad crazy to the point I find more in common with the far left now than I do any politicians that call themselves conservative.
- entropicgravity 3y ago
  All households run on the edicts of Communism. "From each according to their ability; to each according to their need". Unfortunately, it doesn't scale.
- pcthrowaway 3y ago
  That's quite a swing; actually I sometimes think the far right and far left are closer in some ways (tendency towards authoritarianism) than anywhere closer to the center. If you went from center-right to far left that's as close to a full 180 on the political spectrum as I can think of.
PartiallyTyped 3y ago
It's amusing. The older I grow, the more to "the left" I move.

ggm 3y ago

The overton window shift is real. There is a brilliant chart of R/D shift against "left/right" concepts.

dudul 3y ago

If your values haven't changed what have you changed your mind about?

xchip 3y ago

Did, basically before you had no money, and thought people with money should share his with you and, now you have money and you don't want it to be taken away

datascienced 3y ago
I believe both :-)

tsycho 3y ago

It's amusing that most of the child commenters assume that you switched from left to right, while you were (intentionally) neutral about that.

bluefirebrand 3y ago
It's pretty reasonable to guess How many Right-Wing beliefs could you hold 10 years ago that are remotely close to anything Left-wing today? I cant think of anything But there is definitely a trend of people who considered themselves center-left leaning 10-20 years ago feeling politically homeless as the left has pushed away from them and embraced some more radical ideas
- poulsbohemian 3y ago
  I hear this all the time, but I never see any support for it - what exactly are these radical leftist ideas that have taken hold of our politics? And, between the two parties, which one do you believe has shifted more in the last say, twenty years? What we are actually seeing is center-right people feeling homeless and joining the Democrats, or at least no longer seeing themselves as Republicans. Bill Clinton shifted the Democrats a good distance to the right and in the time since he left office, it’s been more a very, very gradual retreat back to more traditional positions of the left. Don’t mistake campaigning or messaging for actual party policy.
  - bluefirebrand 3y ago
    Maybe you're right, probably this is really just a matter of perspective and personal opinion of what "left" and "right" mean All I know is that for a lot of people that I've spoken to they used to vote for leftist parties, and now they think those parties don't represent what they want anymore The reason you never see anyone offer support for this is because of cancel culture, by the way. People are not going to state publicly which of their beliefs or opinions disagree with the current cultural shifts because large groups of people have proven they will target you, try to get you fired, try to get SWAT called to your house, and other such stuff There is no upside to sharing potentially volatile political beliefs and some pretty serious potential downside And yes, a lot of that behavior is coming from people with very vocal leftist attitudes

cmpalmer52 3y ago

I went from a moderate fiscally conservative libertarian to a pretty far left liberal as I got older. Now I’m 57 and my conservative friends (the ones I still have), jokingly call me “Comrade”. It’s the opposite course from most of them, who got more conservative as they got older.

bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago

Sounds like the world is moving in a certain direction and you didn't move at all. Now you know how the people you decried when you were young feel.