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Interestingly, the only religious scripture that has any chapter dedicated to the concept similar to wormhole is the Quran Chapter 70 or surah Al-Maarij, and tr

Interestingly, the only religious scripture that has any chapter dedicated to the concept similar to wormhole is the Quran Chapter 70 or surah Al-Maarij, and translated literally as "The Ways of Ascent" [1],[2]. There is also another Quran Chapter 17 or surah Al-Isra' where Muhammad performed Isra' from Mecca to Baitul Maqdis in Jerusalem and then from there performed the ascension to heaven or Mi'raj, or more popular known as Isra' Mi'raj event that is believed to use this special facility of Maarij for the ascension to heaven. This event is considered holidays in most Muslim countries where solat or pray (second pillar of Islam) was first officially prescribed [3]. [1]Al-Maarij: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Maarij https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Maarij [2] Wormholes: https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/wormholes.html https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/wormholes.html [3] Isra' and Mi'raj: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra%27_and_Mi%27raj https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra%27_and_Mi%27raj

anthk 3y ago
Religious scripture hasn't been a 'valid' source since ~1600/~1700, which was the modern scientific revolution. I'm pretty sure the Hindu's had similar views on the universe and matter (even Buddhism too), and yet, without proofs, any belief system it's invalid
exe34 3y ago
The Koran also gets embryology wrong, after plagiarising Galen, so I'd take it with your GDA of salt.
- teleforce 3y ago
  Can you be more specific on the details what was or were wrong in the description of embryology inside the Quran since I'm genuinely curious. Actually Galen got so many things wrong and he was corrected by medieval Muslim scholars and later by modern scholars, eventhough during his time and hundred years after that he was considered infallible. For example his flawed concept of blood circulation was corrected by Ibnu Nafis, several hundreds years before Harvey [1],[2]. [1] Galen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen [2] An untold story: The important contributions of Muslim scholars for the understanding of human anatomy: https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.23523 https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.2...
  - exe34 3y ago
    I can't remember when I first came across it, but this seems quite thorough as far as comparisons go: https://maria911.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/192/ https://maria911.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/192/ NB: i didn't say islamic scholars didn't contribute anything, I was referring to the Koran itself.
    - teleforce 3y ago
      Thanks for the link for the article, it is nice to read some other perspectives about the matter. It seems that the claim of Quran plagiarism of Greek embroyology has been debunked and refuted by these articles [1],[2],[3]. For a start Muhammad himself is a well known illiterate or ummi in Arabic. Even if he could read and write, he could not have acquired knowledge of Greek or Hellenic embryology via written works since the first major translations of Greek embryology into Arabic began at least 150 years after the death of Muhammad. The irony is that, after the translation efforts (due to generosity of the Caliphs including Al-Ma'mun who famously pay in weight of gold the equivalent of the weight of every translations into Arabic) there are now more Galen works in Arabic than in Greek! Al-Mamun also famously accepted a peace treaty from Roman Byzantine Empire in the form of original copy of Ptolemy's Almagest [4]. He could easily wallop the Byzantine Empire if he wished since he is the one who fully conquered Afghanistan, not an easy feat even by today standard where the mightiest of Empires including British, Russian and US government has recently failed. [1] Did the prophet Muhammad Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embroyology? https://www.hamzatzortzis.com/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagiarise-hellenic-embryology/ https://www.hamzatzortzis.com/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagi... [2] Does the Qur’an Plagiarse Ancient Greek Embryology? https://islam-papers.com/2011/10/02/does-the-quran-plagiarse-ancient-greek-embryology/ https://islam-papers.com/2011/10/02/does-the-quran-plagiarse... [3] A Muslim Answer To Criticism Of "Embryology in the Qur'an: https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/a_muslim_answer_to_criticism_of__embryology_in_the_qur_an___by_nadeem_arif_najmi https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/a_muslim_answer_to_critic... [4] al-Ma'mun: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27mun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27mun
      - exe34 3y ago
lupire 3y ago
If this comment were about an Asimov sci-fi novel it wouldn't be downvoted. But it Islamophobes are out in force.
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bluish29 3y ago
I subscribe to the idea that these are miracles that don't have to be following scientific reasons. If you would explain it using science so what is the point of saying this is a miracle from Allah to the prophet. It would be basing your argument about people of Mecca (or the people at this time) with the phenomenon. This is not related to only Isra but all prophets miracles. PS: I am talking from a religious point of view, I am not not interested in a discussion about religion, god and potential clash with science.
- teleforce 3y ago
  I think you are missing the point, Islam greatest miracle is the Quran. God forbid, even if all the Quran hard copies are being burnt and the digital copies are all but infected by ransomware, it will be reproduced immediately since there are many thousands so called Hafiz that memorize the entire script. This is unlike other religious books, for example Bible that even the Pope does not even capable of memorizing it. The fact that the wormhole concept that is not yet experimentally proven, discovered or observed by scientists until today, and it was mentioned and described about 1500 years ago when there is no telescope. The concept is not only mentioned but become one of the Chapters (surah) of the Quran, in the early days of Islam when the believers are mostly confined in Mecca before the migration to Medina. Imagine something much less spectacular than wormhole like Real Madrid football club. If Jesus somehow has mentioned Real Madrid in the red letters portion of the Bible, heck put it as one of Chapter names in the New Testament and predicted the it will be one of the most celebrated football clubs in European football then it will be a miracle more than walking on water or giving life to the dead, because the later Christians in the future can testify and attested to that rather than have to blindly believed the anecdotal narratives that were written more than 2000 years ago (and recorded as a complete book many many years after the event happened). By the way, Jesus miracle of living life back to the dead is also clearly mentioned in the Quran and his mother Maryam, a Jewish woman, was mentioned and glorified as the best of women in the world, and Maryam is one the Chapter or surah names inside the Quran unlike the Bible [1]. [1] Maryam (surah): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_(surah) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_(surah)

anthk 3y ago

Religious scripture hasn't been a 'valid' source since ~1600/~1700, which was the modern scientific revolution. I'm pretty sure the Hindu's had similar views on the universe and matter (even Buddhism too), and yet, without proofs, any belief system it's invalid

exe34 3y ago

The Koran also gets embryology wrong, after plagiarising Galen, so I'd take it with your GDA of salt.

teleforce 3y ago
Can you be more specific on the details what was or were wrong in the description of embryology inside the Quran since I'm genuinely curious. Actually Galen got so many things wrong and he was corrected by medieval Muslim scholars and later by modern scholars, eventhough during his time and hundred years after that he was considered infallible. For example his flawed concept of blood circulation was corrected by Ibnu Nafis, several hundreds years before Harvey [1],[2]. [1] Galen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen [2] An untold story: The important contributions of Muslim scholars for the understanding of human anatomy: https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.23523 https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.2...
- exe34 3y ago
  I can't remember when I first came across it, but this seems quite thorough as far as comparisons go: https://maria911.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/192/ https://maria911.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/192/ NB: i didn't say islamic scholars didn't contribute anything, I was referring to the Koran itself.
  - teleforce 3y ago
    Thanks for the link for the article, it is nice to read some other perspectives about the matter. It seems that the claim of Quran plagiarism of Greek embroyology has been debunked and refuted by these articles [1],[2],[3]. For a start Muhammad himself is a well known illiterate or ummi in Arabic. Even if he could read and write, he could not have acquired knowledge of Greek or Hellenic embryology via written works since the first major translations of Greek embryology into Arabic began at least 150 years after the death of Muhammad. The irony is that, after the translation efforts (due to generosity of the Caliphs including Al-Ma'mun who famously pay in weight of gold the equivalent of the weight of every translations into Arabic) there are now more Galen works in Arabic than in Greek! Al-Mamun also famously accepted a peace treaty from Roman Byzantine Empire in the form of original copy of Ptolemy's Almagest [4]. He could easily wallop the Byzantine Empire if he wished since he is the one who fully conquered Afghanistan, not an easy feat even by today standard where the mightiest of Empires including British, Russian and US government has recently failed. [1] Did the prophet Muhammad Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embroyology? https://www.hamzatzortzis.com/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagiarise-hellenic-embryology/ https://www.hamzatzortzis.com/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagi... [2] Does the Qur’an Plagiarse Ancient Greek Embryology? https://islam-papers.com/2011/10/02/does-the-quran-plagiarse-ancient-greek-embryology/ https://islam-papers.com/2011/10/02/does-the-quran-plagiarse... [3] A Muslim Answer To Criticism Of "Embryology in the Qur'an: https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/a_muslim_answer_to_criticism_of__embryology_in_the_qur_an___by_nadeem_arif_najmi https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/a_muslim_answer_to_critic... [4] al-Ma'mun: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27mun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27mun
    - exe34 3y ago

lupire 3y ago

If this comment were about an Asimov sci-fi novel it wouldn't be downvoted. But it Islamophobes are out in force.

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bluish29 3y ago

I subscribe to the idea that these are miracles that don't have to be following scientific reasons. If you would explain it using science so what is the point of saying this is a miracle from Allah to the prophet. It would be basing your argument about people of Mecca (or the people at this time) with the phenomenon. This is not related to only Isra but all prophets miracles. PS: I am talking from a religious point of view, I am not not interested in a discussion about religion, god and potential clash with science.

teleforce 3y ago
I think you are missing the point, Islam greatest miracle is the Quran. God forbid, even if all the Quran hard copies are being burnt and the digital copies are all but infected by ransomware, it will be reproduced immediately since there are many thousands so called Hafiz that memorize the entire script. This is unlike other religious books, for example Bible that even the Pope does not even capable of memorizing it. The fact that the wormhole concept that is not yet experimentally proven, discovered or observed by scientists until today, and it was mentioned and described about 1500 years ago when there is no telescope. The concept is not only mentioned but become one of the Chapters (surah) of the Quran, in the early days of Islam when the believers are mostly confined in Mecca before the migration to Medina. Imagine something much less spectacular than wormhole like Real Madrid football club. If Jesus somehow has mentioned Real Madrid in the red letters portion of the Bible, heck put it as one of Chapter names in the New Testament and predicted the it will be one of the most celebrated football clubs in European football then it will be a miracle more than walking on water or giving life to the dead, because the later Christians in the future can testify and attested to that rather than have to blindly believed the anecdotal narratives that were written more than 2000 years ago (and recorded as a complete book many many years after the event happened). By the way, Jesus miracle of living life back to the dead is also clearly mentioned in the Quran and his mother Maryam, a Jewish woman, was mentioned and glorified as the best of women in the world, and Maryam is one the Chapter or surah names inside the Quran unlike the Bible [1]. [1] Maryam (surah): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_(surah) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_(surah)