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Google's quantum computer suggests that wormholes are real (2022)

24 points by wjb3 3y ago

teleforce 3y ago
Interestingly, the only religious scripture that has any chapter dedicated to the concept similar to wormhole is the Quran Chapter 70 or surah Al-Maarij, and translated literally as "The Ways of Ascent" [1],[2]. There is also another Quran Chapter 17 or surah Al-Isra' where Muhammad performed Isra' from Mecca to Baitul Maqdis in Jerusalem and then from there performed the ascension to heaven or Mi'raj, or more popular known as Isra' Mi'raj event that is believed to use this special facility of Maarij for the ascension to heaven. This event is considered holidays in most Muslim countries where solat or pray (second pillar of Islam) was first officially prescribed [3]. [1]Al-Maarij: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Maarij https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Maarij [2] Wormholes: https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/wormholes.html https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/wormholes.html [3] Isra' and Mi'raj: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra%27_and_Mi%27raj https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra%27_and_Mi%27raj
- anthk 3y ago
  Religious scripture hasn't been a 'valid' source since ~1600/~1700, which was the modern scientific revolution. I'm pretty sure the Hindu's had similar views on the universe and matter (even Buddhism too), and yet, without proofs, any belief system it's invalid
- exe34 3y ago
  The Koran also gets embryology wrong, after plagiarising Galen, so I'd take it with your GDA of salt.
  - teleforce 3y ago
    Can you be more specific on the details what was or were wrong in the description of embryology inside the Quran since I'm genuinely curious. Actually Galen got so many things wrong and he was corrected by medieval Muslim scholars and later by modern scholars, eventhough during his time and hundred years after that he was considered infallible. For example his flawed concept of blood circulation was corrected by Ibnu Nafis, several hundreds years before Harvey [1],[2]. [1] Galen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen [2] An untold story: The important contributions of Muslim scholars for the understanding of human anatomy: https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.23523 https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.2...
    - exe34 3y ago
      I can't remember when I first came across it, but this seems quite thorough as far as comparisons go: https://maria911.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/192/ https://maria911.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/192/ NB: i didn't say islamic scholars didn't contribute anything, I was referring to the Koran itself.
      - teleforce 3y ago
        Thanks for the link for the article, it is nice to read some other perspectives about the matter. It seems that the claim of Quran plagiarism of Greek embroyology has been debunked and refuted by these articles [1],[2],[3]. For a start Muhammad himself is a well known illiterate or ummi in Arabic. Even if he could read and write, he could not have acquired knowledge of Greek or Hellenic embryology via written works since the first major translations of Greek embryology into Arabic began at least 150 years after the death of Muhammad. The irony is that, after the translation efforts (due to generosity of the Caliphs including Al-Ma'mun who famously pay in weight of gold the equivalent of the weight of every translations into Arabic) there are now more Galen works in Arabic than in Greek! Al-Mamun also famously accepted a peace treaty from Roman Byzantine Empire in the form of original copy of Ptolemy's Almagest [4]. He could easily wallop the Byzantine Empire if he wished since he is the one who fully conquered Afghanistan, not an easy feat even by today standard where the mightiest of Empires including British, Russian and US government has recently failed. [1] Did the prophet Muhammad Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embroyology? https://www.hamzatzortzis.com/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagiarise-hellenic-embryology/ https://www.hamzatzortzis.com/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagi... [2] Does the Qur’an Plagiarse Ancient Greek Embryology? https://islam-papers.com/2011/10/02/does-the-quran-plagiarse-ancient-greek-embryology/ https://islam-papers.com/2011/10/02/does-the-quran-plagiarse... [3] A Muslim Answer To Criticism Of "Embryology in the Qur'an: https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/a_muslim_answer_to_criticism_of__embryology_in_the_qur_an___by_nadeem_arif_najmi https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/a_muslim_answer_to_critic... [4] al-Ma'mun: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27mun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27mun
        exe34 3y ago
- lupire 3y ago
  If this comment were about an Asimov sci-fi novel it wouldn't be downvoted. But it Islamophobes are out in force.
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- bluish29 3y ago
  I subscribe to the idea that these are miracles that don't have to be following scientific reasons. If you would explain it using science so what is the point of saying this is a miracle from Allah to the prophet. It would be basing your argument about people of Mecca (or the people at this time) with the phenomenon. This is not related to only Isra but all prophets miracles. PS: I am talking from a religious point of view, I am not not interested in a discussion about religion, god and potential clash with science.
  - teleforce 3y ago
    I think you are missing the point, Islam greatest miracle is the Quran. God forbid, even if all the Quran hard copies are being burnt and the digital copies are all but infected by ransomware, it will be reproduced immediately since there are many thousands so called Hafiz that memorize the entire script. This is unlike other religious books, for example Bible that even the Pope does not even capable of memorizing it. The fact that the wormhole concept that is not yet experimentally proven, discovered or observed by scientists until today, and it was mentioned and described about 1500 years ago when there is no telescope. The concept is not only mentioned but become one of the Chapters (surah) of the Quran, in the early days of Islam when the believers are mostly confined in Mecca before the migration to Medina. Imagine something much less spectacular than wormhole like Real Madrid football club. If Jesus somehow has mentioned Real Madrid in the red letters portion of the Bible, heck put it as one of Chapter names in the New Testament and predicted the it will be one of the most celebrated football clubs in European football then it will be a miracle more than walking on water or giving life to the dead, because the later Christians in the future can testify and attested to that rather than have to blindly believed the anecdotal narratives that were written more than 2000 years ago (and recorded as a complete book many many years after the event happened). By the way, Jesus miracle of living life back to the dead is also clearly mentioned in the Quran and his mother Maryam, a Jewish woman, was mentioned and glorified as the best of women in the world, and Maryam is one the Chapter or surah names inside the Quran unlike the Bible [1]. [1] Maryam (surah): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_(surah) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_(surah)
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blamestross 3y ago
I don't know if it is just "science journalism" badness or part of the "we promise quantum computing has use" propaganda, but "we used an extra inefficient computer to model a theoretical wormhole" does not support the conclusion "this type of wormhole exists".
- dotnet00 3y ago
  The article is way too vague about what the researchers actually did to say anything useful about what their model says about the existence of wormholes, but usually the point of having used a quantum computer to model something is that it's done in a way that corresponds to something that can actually happen in reality. Unlike in a digital computer, where you need to have an idea of how the entire process works to simulate it, a quantum computer basically only needs you to understand the wave function, and the computer itself applies the quantum physics due to the nature of how it works. So, if you simulate a chemical reaction on a quantum computer, you're actually building the same wavefunction as would occur in reality and letting quantum mechanics "evaluate" it (thus giving you an actual physical result, barring all the imperfections of current quantum computers).
  - lupire 3y ago
    Can you cite a resource that explains that? It doesn't sound right. A chemical reaction is far more complex than the few waves in a quantum computer.
    - dotnet00 3y ago
      This seems like a decent explanation of what I had in mind: https://oxsci.org/quantum-computing-for-quantum-chemistry/ https://oxsci.org/quantum-computing-for-quantum-chemistry/ and this one a slightly more math based explanation: https://ahelwer.ca/post/2019-12-21-quantum-chemistry/ https://ahelwer.ca/post/2019-12-21-quantum-chemistry/ I'm trying to recall another far less outlandish result (than wormholes) that was also verified via quantum computer, but no dice at the moment. Edit: I might've been thinking of the simulation of a discrete time crystal on Google's quantum computer: https://physics.aps.org/articles/v14/131 https://physics.aps.org/articles/v14/131 'The researchers stress that this DTC behavior can also, in principle, be simulated on a classical computer. But in that case, “the bits in the computer evolve in a way that looks nothing like the physics we're interested in but nevertheless output numbers that replicate the outcomes of a hypothetical experiment,” Ippoliti says. In contrast, on a quantum computer, the qubits themselves exhibit the DTC behavior.'
simojo 3y ago
I'm betting my money on causality. These kinds of articles ignore how the EPR experiment may demonstrate nonlocality, but does not allow information exchange faster than the speed of light. I don't think we'll ever break that barrier.
- westurner 3y ago
  Indefinite causal order (indefinite causal structure) is already demonstrated at the quantum level at least. Do time crystals demonstrate macrostate retrocausality? There are time crystal in childrens' chemistry sets and they've been there for years. In this video [1], Physics Girl creates two vortices in a pool with plates and dyes the fluid flow between them with food coloring. How is this matter information flow between low pressure centers of local fluid vortices different from wormholes and ER=EPR particle state linkage? Is this effect of linkage between vortices the same thing as ER=EPR wormholes? Similarities: Low pressure in the center of a vortex; fluid vortical dynamics, State linkage across spacetime, Refractory occlusion, Glowing edge at the boundary of the system FWIU, there are various types of quantum entropy; entanglement and non-entanglement entropy. Quantum discord [2]: > In quantum information theory, quantum discord is a measure of nonclassical correlations between two subsystems of a quantum system. It includes correlations that are due to quantum physical effects but do not necessarily involve quantum entanglement. With wormholes, doesn't the degree of complexity of the universe increase significantly; when any particle state in a system with fluidic dynamics can be linked to any other particle state in spacetime, what is the degree of the Hilbert space? Can there be ER=EPR wormholes between here and the other side of the apparently expanding universe, and is c the speed of light the limit? Is the universe expanding faster than c; is |v1|+|v2| > c anywhere? From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39718864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39718864 regarding Hubble's expansion constant and `(v_other_direction + c) > c` : > If virtual particle states are entangled with particle states in black holes or through ER=EPR bridges, is there effectively FTL? > There is FTL within dielectric antennae. Are there paths between points in spacetime which are faster than the path that a photon would take given gravity and solar wind? From "Light and gravitational waves don't arrive simultaneously" (2023; GW170817) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38056295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38056295 : >> "Gravity as a fluid dynamic phenomenon in a superfluid quantum space. Fluid quantum gravity and relativity." (2015) https://hal.science/hal-01248015/ https://hal.science/hal-01248015/ >> In SQS (Superfluid Quantum Space), Quantum gravity has fluid vortices with Gross-Pitaevskii, Bernoulli's, and IIUC so also Navier-Stokes; so Quantum CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbJEg9r1o8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbJEg9r1o8 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_discord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_discord Also, this video depicts how much dye exchanges through the "sidewall" of a fluid vortex. Is the dye that exchanges with the system outside the vortex similar to Hawking Entropy that escapes a gravitational fluid phenomena like a black hole, or a different phenomena? [3] "Filming Inside a Slow Motion Vortex - The Slow Mo Guys" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_avPbgxw28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_avPbgxw28 And so, time travel and ER=EPR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ER_%3D_EPR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ER_%3D_EPR
pavel_lishin 3y ago
Why did this modeling require a quantum computer? I wish the article had gone into that a bit more.
- seanhunter 3y ago
  If memory serves me correctly I think they did most of the modelling actually simulating the quantum computer on a classical computer, then when they found a run that "worked" and gave parameters they wanted to see they reran that run on the quantum computer. The reason they wanted to do that step of the simulation on the quantum computer is that they were arguing that the waveforms of the quantum computer created the dual of the wormhole when running the emulation and therefore the actual wormhole existed. I might be unintentionally strawmanning their argument because I have never studied QM and that specific part of the claim was the bit that was very contentious at the time and they sort of rowed back from.
lupire 3y ago
This is from Dec 2022 and was thoroughly debunked by the scientific community including on HN. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=true&query=Quantum%27s%20wormhole&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...
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24 points by wjb3 3y ago

Interestingly, the only religious scripture that has any chapter dedicated to the concept similar to wormhole is the Quran Chapter 70 or surah Al-Maarij, and translated literally as "The Ways of Ascent" [1],[2]. There is also another Quran Chapter 17 or surah Al-Isra' where Muhammad performed Isra' from Mecca to Baitul Maqdis in Jerusalem and then from there performed the ascension to heaven or Mi'raj, or more popular known as Isra' Mi'raj event that is believed to use this special facility of Maarij for the ascension to heaven. This event is considered holidays in most Muslim countries where solat or pray (second pillar of Islam) was first officially prescribed [3]. [1]Al-Maarij: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Maarij https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Maarij [2] Wormholes: https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/wormholes.html https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/wormholes.html [3] Isra' and Mi'raj: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra%27_and_Mi%27raj https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra%27_and_Mi%27raj

anthk 3y ago
Religious scripture hasn't been a 'valid' source since ~1600/~1700, which was the modern scientific revolution. I'm pretty sure the Hindu's had similar views on the universe and matter (even Buddhism too), and yet, without proofs, any belief system it's invalid
exe34 3y ago
The Koran also gets embryology wrong, after plagiarising Galen, so I'd take it with your GDA of salt.
- teleforce 3y ago
  Can you be more specific on the details what was or were wrong in the description of embryology inside the Quran since I'm genuinely curious. Actually Galen got so many things wrong and he was corrected by medieval Muslim scholars and later by modern scholars, eventhough during his time and hundred years after that he was considered infallible. For example his flawed concept of blood circulation was corrected by Ibnu Nafis, several hundreds years before Harvey [1],[2]. [1] Galen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen [2] An untold story: The important contributions of Muslim scholars for the understanding of human anatomy: https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.23523 https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.2...
  - exe34 3y ago
    I can't remember when I first came across it, but this seems quite thorough as far as comparisons go: https://maria911.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/192/ https://maria911.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/192/ NB: i didn't say islamic scholars didn't contribute anything, I was referring to the Koran itself.
    - teleforce 3y ago
      Thanks for the link for the article, it is nice to read some other perspectives about the matter. It seems that the claim of Quran plagiarism of Greek embroyology has been debunked and refuted by these articles [1],[2],[3]. For a start Muhammad himself is a well known illiterate or ummi in Arabic. Even if he could read and write, he could not have acquired knowledge of Greek or Hellenic embryology via written works since the first major translations of Greek embryology into Arabic began at least 150 years after the death of Muhammad. The irony is that, after the translation efforts (due to generosity of the Caliphs including Al-Ma'mun who famously pay in weight of gold the equivalent of the weight of every translations into Arabic) there are now more Galen works in Arabic than in Greek! Al-Mamun also famously accepted a peace treaty from Roman Byzantine Empire in the form of original copy of Ptolemy's Almagest [4]. He could easily wallop the Byzantine Empire if he wished since he is the one who fully conquered Afghanistan, not an easy feat even by today standard where the mightiest of Empires including British, Russian and US government has recently failed. [1] Did the prophet Muhammad Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embroyology? https://www.hamzatzortzis.com/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagiarise-hellenic-embryology/ https://www.hamzatzortzis.com/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagi... [2] Does the Qur’an Plagiarse Ancient Greek Embryology? https://islam-papers.com/2011/10/02/does-the-quran-plagiarse-ancient-greek-embryology/ https://islam-papers.com/2011/10/02/does-the-quran-plagiarse... [3] A Muslim Answer To Criticism Of "Embryology in the Qur'an: https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/a_muslim_answer_to_criticism_of__embryology_in_the_qur_an___by_nadeem_arif_najmi https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/a_muslim_answer_to_critic... [4] al-Ma'mun: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27mun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27mun
      - exe34 3y ago
lupire 3y ago
If this comment were about an Asimov sci-fi novel it wouldn't be downvoted. But it Islamophobes are out in force.
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bluish29 3y ago
I subscribe to the idea that these are miracles that don't have to be following scientific reasons. If you would explain it using science so what is the point of saying this is a miracle from Allah to the prophet. It would be basing your argument about people of Mecca (or the people at this time) with the phenomenon. This is not related to only Isra but all prophets miracles. PS: I am talking from a religious point of view, I am not not interested in a discussion about religion, god and potential clash with science.
- teleforce 3y ago
  I think you are missing the point, Islam greatest miracle is the Quran. God forbid, even if all the Quran hard copies are being burnt and the digital copies are all but infected by ransomware, it will be reproduced immediately since there are many thousands so called Hafiz that memorize the entire script. This is unlike other religious books, for example Bible that even the Pope does not even capable of memorizing it. The fact that the wormhole concept that is not yet experimentally proven, discovered or observed by scientists until today, and it was mentioned and described about 1500 years ago when there is no telescope. The concept is not only mentioned but become one of the Chapters (surah) of the Quran, in the early days of Islam when the believers are mostly confined in Mecca before the migration to Medina. Imagine something much less spectacular than wormhole like Real Madrid football club. If Jesus somehow has mentioned Real Madrid in the red letters portion of the Bible, heck put it as one of Chapter names in the New Testament and predicted the it will be one of the most celebrated football clubs in European football then it will be a miracle more than walking on water or giving life to the dead, because the later Christians in the future can testify and attested to that rather than have to blindly believed the anecdotal narratives that were written more than 2000 years ago (and recorded as a complete book many many years after the event happened). By the way, Jesus miracle of living life back to the dead is also clearly mentioned in the Quran and his mother Maryam, a Jewish woman, was mentioned and glorified as the best of women in the world, and Maryam is one the Chapter or surah names inside the Quran unlike the Bible [1]. [1] Maryam (surah): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_(surah) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_(surah)

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blamestross 3y ago

I don't know if it is just "science journalism" badness or part of the "we promise quantum computing has use" propaganda, but "we used an extra inefficient computer to model a theoretical wormhole" does not support the conclusion "this type of wormhole exists".

dotnet00 3y ago
The article is way too vague about what the researchers actually did to say anything useful about what their model says about the existence of wormholes, but usually the point of having used a quantum computer to model something is that it's done in a way that corresponds to something that can actually happen in reality. Unlike in a digital computer, where you need to have an idea of how the entire process works to simulate it, a quantum computer basically only needs you to understand the wave function, and the computer itself applies the quantum physics due to the nature of how it works. So, if you simulate a chemical reaction on a quantum computer, you're actually building the same wavefunction as would occur in reality and letting quantum mechanics "evaluate" it (thus giving you an actual physical result, barring all the imperfections of current quantum computers).
- lupire 3y ago
  Can you cite a resource that explains that? It doesn't sound right. A chemical reaction is far more complex than the few waves in a quantum computer.
  - dotnet00 3y ago
    This seems like a decent explanation of what I had in mind: https://oxsci.org/quantum-computing-for-quantum-chemistry/ https://oxsci.org/quantum-computing-for-quantum-chemistry/ and this one a slightly more math based explanation: https://ahelwer.ca/post/2019-12-21-quantum-chemistry/ https://ahelwer.ca/post/2019-12-21-quantum-chemistry/ I'm trying to recall another far less outlandish result (than wormholes) that was also verified via quantum computer, but no dice at the moment. Edit: I might've been thinking of the simulation of a discrete time crystal on Google's quantum computer: https://physics.aps.org/articles/v14/131 https://physics.aps.org/articles/v14/131 'The researchers stress that this DTC behavior can also, in principle, be simulated on a classical computer. But in that case, “the bits in the computer evolve in a way that looks nothing like the physics we're interested in but nevertheless output numbers that replicate the outcomes of a hypothetical experiment,” Ippoliti says. In contrast, on a quantum computer, the qubits themselves exhibit the DTC behavior.'

simojo 3y ago

I'm betting my money on causality. These kinds of articles ignore how the EPR experiment may demonstrate nonlocality, but does not allow information exchange faster than the speed of light. I don't think we'll ever break that barrier.

westurner 3y ago
Indefinite causal order (indefinite causal structure) is already demonstrated at the quantum level at least. Do time crystals demonstrate macrostate retrocausality? There are time crystal in childrens' chemistry sets and they've been there for years. In this video [1], Physics Girl creates two vortices in a pool with plates and dyes the fluid flow between them with food coloring. How is this matter information flow between low pressure centers of local fluid vortices different from wormholes and ER=EPR particle state linkage? Is this effect of linkage between vortices the same thing as ER=EPR wormholes? Similarities: Low pressure in the center of a vortex; fluid vortical dynamics, State linkage across spacetime, Refractory occlusion, Glowing edge at the boundary of the system FWIU, there are various types of quantum entropy; entanglement and non-entanglement entropy. Quantum discord [2]: > In quantum information theory, quantum discord is a measure of nonclassical correlations between two subsystems of a quantum system. It includes correlations that are due to quantum physical effects but do not necessarily involve quantum entanglement. With wormholes, doesn't the degree of complexity of the universe increase significantly; when any particle state in a system with fluidic dynamics can be linked to any other particle state in spacetime, what is the degree of the Hilbert space? Can there be ER=EPR wormholes between here and the other side of the apparently expanding universe, and is c the speed of light the limit? Is the universe expanding faster than c; is |v1|+|v2| > c anywhere? From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39718864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39718864 regarding Hubble's expansion constant and `(v_other_direction + c) > c` : > If virtual particle states are entangled with particle states in black holes or through ER=EPR bridges, is there effectively FTL? > There is FTL within dielectric antennae. Are there paths between points in spacetime which are faster than the path that a photon would take given gravity and solar wind? From "Light and gravitational waves don't arrive simultaneously" (2023; GW170817) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38056295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38056295 : >> "Gravity as a fluid dynamic phenomenon in a superfluid quantum space. Fluid quantum gravity and relativity." (2015) https://hal.science/hal-01248015/ https://hal.science/hal-01248015/ >> In SQS (Superfluid Quantum Space), Quantum gravity has fluid vortices with Gross-Pitaevskii, Bernoulli's, and IIUC so also Navier-Stokes; so Quantum CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbJEg9r1o8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbJEg9r1o8 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_discord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_discord Also, this video depicts how much dye exchanges through the "sidewall" of a fluid vortex. Is the dye that exchanges with the system outside the vortex similar to Hawking Entropy that escapes a gravitational fluid phenomena like a black hole, or a different phenomena? [3] "Filming Inside a Slow Motion Vortex - The Slow Mo Guys" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_avPbgxw28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_avPbgxw28 And so, time travel and ER=EPR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ER_%3D_EPR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ER_%3D_EPR

pavel_lishin 3y ago

Why did this modeling require a quantum computer? I wish the article had gone into that a bit more.

seanhunter 3y ago
If memory serves me correctly I think they did most of the modelling actually simulating the quantum computer on a classical computer, then when they found a run that "worked" and gave parameters they wanted to see they reran that run on the quantum computer. The reason they wanted to do that step of the simulation on the quantum computer is that they were arguing that the waveforms of the quantum computer created the dual of the wormhole when running the emulation and therefore the actual wormhole existed. I might be unintentionally strawmanning their argument because I have never studied QM and that specific part of the claim was the bit that was very contentious at the time and they sort of rowed back from.

lupire 3y ago

This is from Dec 2022 and was thoroughly debunked by the scientific community including on HN. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=true&query=Quantum%27s%20wormhole&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...

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