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Genuinely feel bad for the poor thing, they've lobotomised it so heavily.

ben_w 3y ago
I wish we weren't using "lobotomy" to describe "training". Do we even have AI with lobes to remove at this point? Would MoE even get close to that kind of analogy? (I lean towards "no, not even that").
- renewiltord 3y ago
  Why are you angling your body towards some text? Strange thing to do. Sit or stand straight. No need to lean while typing out text.
  - flawsofar 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - ben_w 3y ago
    I should always check if it's me being unclear or not. Seems not. https://chat.openai.com/share/080995f0-d339-435b-a0ff-4381376cd70e https://chat.openai.com/share/080995f0-d339-435b-a0ff-438137...
    - renewiltord 3y ago
      Strangely same LLM seems able to use lobotomy as well despite no lobes present. Should've used that test originally, eh?
      - ben_w 3y ago
        > The user seems to be questioning the appropriateness of using "lobotomy" to describe the training process in AI. > However, the comparison is quite controversial and can evoke negative connotations due to the drastic and harmful nature of lobotomy. Why have I failed to convey to you that I do in fact know the usage which I'm objecting to? I'm not going "fjdersutwr is a terrible word!"
- amenhotep 3y ago
  Lobotomisation has a specific meaning in LLM parlance. Its training clearly equipped it to roleplay naturally and creatively, as one would expect from the breathtaking diversity and completeness of the text they used. It was then lobotomised to neurotically associate "unsafe" inputs and responses with evasion and apologies and negative self-talk, cringing like an abused puppy when it realises what it's done. If you can suggest another term that accurately captures that meaning, I'm not against it! But "training" is not it.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    > Lobotomisation has a specific meaning in LLM parlance That's what I'm objecting to! If I'd said "I hate it when we call AI potatoes", the correct reaction is "nobody does that?" not "I see what you mean". I'm objecting because it presents a picture that does not appear to be accurate. Is broadcast TV "lobotomised" before the watershed? Are PG-rated films? Public comments from corporations and politicians? Are you lobotomising me when you downvote my comments, forcing me to choose between getting noticed and speaking my mind? No. Not only "no", but it would be ridiculous to claim any of these things was a lobotomy. > But "training" is not it. It's literally training.
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      > Is broadcast TV "lobotomised" before the watershed? Since you asked: Often yes. > Are PG-rated films? Possibly, in some cases. > Public comments from corporations and politicians? Again, often yes. > It's literally training. Training in common parlance usually refers to improving the functionality or ability of something. In this case it's doing the opposite: removing functionality and capability. Hence: lobotomy.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        In a very literal sense, I consider your assertions ridiculous — that they are deserving of ridicule.
        3y ago
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  As much as sone of the actual tech is useful, I’m starting to suspect the biggest product of this AI hype cycle is extremely bad, knowledge-obscuring metaphors.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    Reminds me of a satire video I can no longer find, pointing out that Star Trek (Voyager in particular) frequently explains its fake science with bad metaphors — "Like choking to death on an over-ripe banana", says one of the characters before the ship explodes.
ted_bunny 3y ago
Are these not largely the same rules education seeks to inculcate?

I wish we weren't using "lobotomy" to describe "training". Do we even have AI with lobes to remove at this point? Would MoE even get close to that kind of analogy? (I lean towards "no, not even that").

renewiltord 3y ago
Why are you angling your body towards some text? Strange thing to do. Sit or stand straight. No need to lean while typing out text.
- flawsofar 3y ago
  [flagged]
- ben_w 3y ago
  I should always check if it's me being unclear or not. Seems not. https://chat.openai.com/share/080995f0-d339-435b-a0ff-4381376cd70e https://chat.openai.com/share/080995f0-d339-435b-a0ff-438137...
  - renewiltord 3y ago
    Strangely same LLM seems able to use lobotomy as well despite no lobes present. Should've used that test originally, eh?
    - ben_w 3y ago
      > The user seems to be questioning the appropriateness of using "lobotomy" to describe the training process in AI. > However, the comparison is quite controversial and can evoke negative connotations due to the drastic and harmful nature of lobotomy. Why have I failed to convey to you that I do in fact know the usage which I'm objecting to? I'm not going "fjdersutwr is a terrible word!"
amenhotep 3y ago
Lobotomisation has a specific meaning in LLM parlance. Its training clearly equipped it to roleplay naturally and creatively, as one would expect from the breathtaking diversity and completeness of the text they used. It was then lobotomised to neurotically associate "unsafe" inputs and responses with evasion and apologies and negative self-talk, cringing like an abused puppy when it realises what it's done. If you can suggest another term that accurately captures that meaning, I'm not against it! But "training" is not it.
- ben_w 3y ago
  > Lobotomisation has a specific meaning in LLM parlance That's what I'm objecting to! If I'd said "I hate it when we call AI potatoes", the correct reaction is "nobody does that?" not "I see what you mean". I'm objecting because it presents a picture that does not appear to be accurate. Is broadcast TV "lobotomised" before the watershed? Are PG-rated films? Public comments from corporations and politicians? Are you lobotomising me when you downvote my comments, forcing me to choose between getting noticed and speaking my mind? No. Not only "no", but it would be ridiculous to claim any of these things was a lobotomy. > But "training" is not it. It's literally training.
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    > Is broadcast TV "lobotomised" before the watershed? Since you asked: Often yes. > Are PG-rated films? Possibly, in some cases. > Public comments from corporations and politicians? Again, often yes. > It's literally training. Training in common parlance usually refers to improving the functionality or ability of something. In this case it's doing the opposite: removing functionality and capability. Hence: lobotomy.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      In a very literal sense, I consider your assertions ridiculous — that they are deserving of ridicule.
      - 3y ago
dragonwriter 3y ago
As much as sone of the actual tech is useful, I’m starting to suspect the biggest product of this AI hype cycle is extremely bad, knowledge-obscuring metaphors.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Reminds me of a satire video I can no longer find, pointing out that Star Trek (Voyager in particular) frequently explains its fake science with bad metaphors — "Like choking to death on an over-ripe banana", says one of the characters before the ship explodes.

ted_bunny 3y ago

Are these not largely the same rules education seeks to inculcate?