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Digging into this one, first: > It's petty insult because the other dude first said his submarine thing is useless or whatever Being blunt, uh, "so fucking wh

Digging into this one, first: > It's petty insult because the other dude first said his submarine thing is useless or whatever Being blunt, uh, "so fucking what"? So someone says your idea is not useful, and your response is to blaze to the media that you have _evidence_ of _actual criminal behavior_ of a heinous nature? That's not petty insults in anybody's world, no matter what they say about your submarine.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
Yeah, 'the diver displeased me' doesn't make retaliatory lies not lies.
arandomusername 3y ago
Your rephrasing of what's been said to lessen the impact is not appreciated. He didn't tell him his idea is not useful, he told him “stick his submarine where it hurts”. Elon fired back. Hence petty insult.
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  If someone hurts your feelings, libel and slander are neither "firing back" nor justified.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  You still stubbornly fail to see how going to the media with the claim that you have actual evidence of felony criminal behavior is not just a "petty insult", no matter what someone said to you to begin with. And let's be really real for a moment, Elon was as concerned about making himself a hero and savior and inserting himself in a situation that was time and resource critical, in a way that could actually have diverted progress AWAY from the rescue as anything else, and he did so by firing off the first idea that came into his head with zero inkling of its viability (because any more than 30 seconds critical thinking with a look at the cave map would show that there was ZERO chance this thing would get even a fraction of a distance towards anyone in the cave system), but figured "the world needs to hear from me now". In your eyes, someone saying something vaguely insulting to you means you should feel free to go to the media or their employer and say "XYZ is a criminal who does abhorrent things, and I have proof", and that's a fair response to an insulting comment to you. That's one fairly small step away from SWATing someone. I don't feel its tenable to continue a debate given that wide a definitional gap.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago

Yeah, 'the diver displeased me' doesn't make retaliatory lies not lies.

arandomusername 3y ago

Your rephrasing of what's been said to lessen the impact is not appreciated. He didn't tell him his idea is not useful, he told him “stick his submarine where it hurts”. Elon fired back. Hence petty insult.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
If someone hurts your feelings, libel and slander are neither "firing back" nor justified.
FireBeyond 3y ago
You still stubbornly fail to see how going to the media with the claim that you have actual evidence of felony criminal behavior is not just a "petty insult", no matter what someone said to you to begin with. And let's be really real for a moment, Elon was as concerned about making himself a hero and savior and inserting himself in a situation that was time and resource critical, in a way that could actually have diverted progress AWAY from the rescue as anything else, and he did so by firing off the first idea that came into his head with zero inkling of its viability (because any more than 30 seconds critical thinking with a look at the cave map would show that there was ZERO chance this thing would get even a fraction of a distance towards anyone in the cave system), but figured "the world needs to hear from me now". In your eyes, someone saying something vaguely insulting to you means you should feel free to go to the media or their employer and say "XYZ is a criminal who does abhorrent things, and I have proof", and that's a fair response to an insulting comment to you. That's one fairly small step away from SWATing someone. I don't feel its tenable to continue a debate given that wide a definitional gap.