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Check mate. He cannot have lied about Tesla if anything he says about Tesla is categorically excluded from being a lie for the purposes of this conversation.
by jrflowers 3y ago
Check mate. He cannot have lied about Tesla if anything he says about Tesla is categorically excluded from being a lie for the purposes of this conversation.
- arandomusername 3y agoWe are excluding optimistic promises that weren't true, because it's completely different than outright lying about what you are working on
- echoangle 3y agoWould you consider it lying if he made optimistic promises while knowing they were impossible?
- arandomusername 3y agoyes
- echoangle 3y agoSo you think that Elon seriously believed that Autopilot was coming the same year for 9 years or so in a row? If that wasn’t a total lie, he’s really stupid. He obviously knows that he’s wrong but still makes completely unrealistic predictions for hype/marketing reasons. That’s lying.
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- jrflowers 3y agoExactly. We are excluding his public statements about Tesla because
- mvdtnz 3y ago> We are excluding optimistic promises that weren't true You're excluding that. Most people do not, because he has a history of making wildly optimistic (to the point of completely unrealistic) "predictions" in order to froth up media attention and juice his company's value. Most people consider this a lie. You don't.
- jrflowers 3y agoarandomusername took the time to acknowledge a whole category of Musk’s statements that would be considered lies if we didn’t make a special excuse for them. The challenge here is “prove to me that he’s a liar within the framework of my own mind where I’ve declared him an honest man”