> Which also apply to dark {energy, matter}, the flying spaghetti monster of cosmology... they are both very real, as they are both known to us because of dire

> Which also apply to dark {energy, matter}, the flying spaghetti monster of cosmology... they are both very real, as they are both known to us because of direct and indirect observation. i don't understand the "dark matter isn't real" crowd, because it is very much real, and we observe it. we can measure it. we don't know what it is comprised of, but we know it's real.