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Where does this misunderstanding come from? https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule14 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule14

Where does this misunderstanding come from? https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule14 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule14 “an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, *which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated*” Note that proportionality is ill-defined, leaving a lot of room for interpretation.

pvaldes 3y ago
> Where does this misunderstanding come from? Greed. War is very profitable. There will be always people trying to twist the words, and justify the unjustifiable.
- nobodyandproud 3y ago
  Right, but have you given thought to the greed and maliciousness of those that prop-up Hamas? Also, war has never excluded the casualty of innocents except in the movies. What’s not reasonable is when an attack goes out of its way to kill civilians. It’s why it was a big deal and a disgrace when Trump pardoned US soldiers who knowingly and without cause killed civilians. And why what Hamas instigated was especially appalling and inexcusable. And why Netenyahu has overplayed his hand, to cover for his failings.
- refurb 3y ago
  > Greed. War is very profitable. That's the reason for your misunderstanding? Because it's your statement that is incorrect.
  - pvaldes 3y ago
    > it's your statement that is incorrect. Wrong There is not a single country where I have the "right", granted by law, to shoot dead your 8Yo children. Period. Some people, like dictators or criminals, just can jump over the law without consequences. And laws have exceptions that modify the punishment so in a few --extreme-- cases I could do it without serious consequences to me. But: "Is an 'all you can kill' party and there are good chances that I will not be punished"; is still profoundly different as "is legal to kill children (as long as they are in a minority)". And It always will be different.
    - refurb 3y ago
      > There is not a single country where I have the "right", granted by law, to shoot dead your 8Yo children. Period. Sure there is. If I'm a policeman, and in order to save lives I need to use my weapon and it results in the deaths of an 8 year old, that's permissible by law. And so do the laws the of war. If, in order to destroy the war fighting ability of an aggressor, I bomb a civilian center where the aggressor has placed offensive weapons, and is is judged by probability and proportionality to be reasonable, then it's legal.

pvaldes 3y ago

> Where does this misunderstanding come from? Greed. War is very profitable. There will be always people trying to twist the words, and justify the unjustifiable.

nobodyandproud 3y ago
Right, but have you given thought to the greed and maliciousness of those that prop-up Hamas? Also, war has never excluded the casualty of innocents except in the movies. What’s not reasonable is when an attack goes out of its way to kill civilians. It’s why it was a big deal and a disgrace when Trump pardoned US soldiers who knowingly and without cause killed civilians. And why what Hamas instigated was especially appalling and inexcusable. And why Netenyahu has overplayed his hand, to cover for his failings.
refurb 3y ago
> Greed. War is very profitable. That's the reason for your misunderstanding? Because it's your statement that is incorrect.
- pvaldes 3y ago
  > it's your statement that is incorrect. Wrong There is not a single country where I have the "right", granted by law, to shoot dead your 8Yo children. Period. Some people, like dictators or criminals, just can jump over the law without consequences. And laws have exceptions that modify the punishment so in a few --extreme-- cases I could do it without serious consequences to me. But: "Is an 'all you can kill' party and there are good chances that I will not be punished"; is still profoundly different as "is legal to kill children (as long as they are in a minority)". And It always will be different.
  - refurb 3y ago
    > There is not a single country where I have the "right", granted by law, to shoot dead your 8Yo children. Period. Sure there is. If I'm a policeman, and in order to save lives I need to use my weapon and it results in the deaths of an 8 year old, that's permissible by law. And so do the laws the of war. If, in order to destroy the war fighting ability of an aggressor, I bomb a civilian center where the aggressor has placed offensive weapons, and is is judged by probability and proportionality to be reasonable, then it's legal.