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They talk about voice samples, but they don’t mention prices for them Would it be attractive for a company like Twilio or Aircall to offer free phone calls and

by nico 3y ago

They talk about voice samples, but they don’t mention prices for them Would it be attractive for a company like Twilio or Aircall to offer free phone calls and sell anonymized recordings?

tomschwiha 3y ago
It would solve all government budget issues if the three letter agencys would start selling all data.
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
No, that's gross violation of privacy; no such thing as anonymized recordings.
- nico 3y ago
  It would be a violation of privacy if people weren’t aware/hadn’t consented But if it was part of the terms of the new free service, and all the parties involved got a reminder message on the call… you might still not like it, but it doesn’t seem like it would be a violation of privacy
  - gogogo_allday 3y ago
    I’m not a lawyer, but I do live in a one party consent state. I would imagine if I setup a service here, ensured all calls originated in my state, and the person who owned the account being used consented, it would be legal. Even without informing the person on the other end of the call. Would this violate other laws outside my jurisdiction? Probably, but that just means I won’t travel there. I actually hope I’m wrong.
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    A fantastic example of why the inherent "lack" of one party in an economic exchange is a necessary component of modern capitalism. The only people who would be willing to use such a service are people who have likely already been systematically disenfranchised by our global economic system. Poor people. Privacy should not be incentivized and treated as a luxury. Especially when the end result of all this training data is models which further discriminate against vulnerable third-parties and automate maximum value extraction from the average user via unprecedented amounts of emotional manipulation afforded to us by the development of user-facing generative AI. Whether through highly-targeted, ad-hoc advertisements, or discriminative insurance policies.
1024core 3y ago
Funnily, this is how Google improved their voice recognition. Remember a decade or so ago, you could call a 1-800 number and look up phone numbers using your voice? It was backed by Google and once Google was done collecting the data, they shut it down.
- htrp 3y ago
  Google411

by nico 3y ago

They talk about voice samples, but they don’t mention prices for them Would it be attractive for a company like Twilio or Aircall to offer free phone calls and sell anonymized recordings?

tomschwiha 3y ago

It would solve all government budget issues if the three letter agencys would start selling all data.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

No, that's gross violation of privacy; no such thing as anonymized recordings.

nico 3y ago
It would be a violation of privacy if people weren’t aware/hadn’t consented But if it was part of the terms of the new free service, and all the parties involved got a reminder message on the call… you might still not like it, but it doesn’t seem like it would be a violation of privacy
- gogogo_allday 3y ago
  I’m not a lawyer, but I do live in a one party consent state. I would imagine if I setup a service here, ensured all calls originated in my state, and the person who owned the account being used consented, it would be legal. Even without informing the person on the other end of the call. Would this violate other laws outside my jurisdiction? Probably, but that just means I won’t travel there. I actually hope I’m wrong.
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  A fantastic example of why the inherent "lack" of one party in an economic exchange is a necessary component of modern capitalism. The only people who would be willing to use such a service are people who have likely already been systematically disenfranchised by our global economic system. Poor people. Privacy should not be incentivized and treated as a luxury. Especially when the end result of all this training data is models which further discriminate against vulnerable third-parties and automate maximum value extraction from the average user via unprecedented amounts of emotional manipulation afforded to us by the development of user-facing generative AI. Whether through highly-targeted, ad-hoc advertisements, or discriminative insurance policies.

1024core 3y ago

Funnily, this is how Google improved their voice recognition. Remember a decade or so ago, you could call a 1-800 number and look up phone numbers using your voice? It was backed by Google and once Google was done collecting the data, they shut it down.

htrp 3y ago
Google411