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> And they also have massive restrictions on its use due to all of those reasons. not sure if crippled institutional wifi offers any tangible benefit in the ag

> And they also have massive restrictions on its use due to all of those reasons. not sure if crippled institutional wifi offers any tangible benefit in the age of ubiquitous cellular internet access besides the usual incentive of researching technical workarounds to the filtering.

lxgr 3y ago
Technically knowledgeable parents will understand that, but what do you answer to somebody saying “I don’t buy mobile data plans for my children, and now they accessed something bad on their devices due to the network you set up”?
- geraldhh 3y ago
  i agree there is a problem of differentiation among commoners, but i hope we can agree that net neutrality is a good thing and policing content should be left to clients
  - lxgr 3y ago
    Aspirationally, I'm with you – but practically, there are parents that know how to set up the (much more effective, given ubiquitous encryption, VPNs/private relay etc.) on-device controls, and there are those that don't have the resources to do that. You could say that it's a lost cause, that their kids will just find public Wi-Fi elsewhere, that their classmates with mobile data can just open unmonitored Wi-Fi hotspots from their devices etc., that the better approach is to educate kids and give them the skills to deal with the complete unfiltered internet rather than to build more guardrails, and I'd even agree with some of these arguments to an extent. But you'll almost certainly find parents within the same school that view it differently and you will be fighting an uphill battle.
    - geraldhh 3y ago
      karens ruining it for everyone... maybe the best thing is laughing
SR2Z 3y ago
Look, I hate censorship as much as the next person, but giving kids access to porn in school is a weird hill to die on when the useful parts of the Internet (at least for middle schoolers) are unblocked.
- geraldhh 3y ago
  very wired, indeed; everytime i had to do it. but i think it's worth the effort because everytime someone refrains from making others responsible for their own problems, the world get's a bit better to live in for everyone.
  - flextheruler 3y ago
    You’re saying a world where students can sneak onto the teachers computer before class starts and put on porn and force the entire classroom to see and hear it is a better world? I can assure you that would be one of the main uses, because it was done in my classroom using sites that the filter missed. Ridiculous opining for an idealistic world where everyone is an inclined curious student demonstrates your disconnect from the real world. Too much time on HN and the internet will do that to you.
    - geraldhh 3y ago
      no, i am not saying that. sorry you misunderstood
  - Loughla 3y ago
    Yes. Theories are great. The execution is where these things get messy. In theory, the responsibility for uncontrolled access to the Internet is something everyone should be responsible for, to themselves. Expecting children to be responsible and make positive decisions, and especially when they're working in groups, is naive at best. Teenagers aren't great at understanding consequences. And maybe open Internet access in schools isn't the best way to teach that?
    - geraldhh 3y ago

lxgr 3y ago

Technically knowledgeable parents will understand that, but what do you answer to somebody saying “I don’t buy mobile data plans for my children, and now they accessed something bad on their devices due to the network you set up”?

geraldhh 3y ago
i agree there is a problem of differentiation among commoners, but i hope we can agree that net neutrality is a good thing and policing content should be left to clients
- lxgr 3y ago
  Aspirationally, I'm with you – but practically, there are parents that know how to set up the (much more effective, given ubiquitous encryption, VPNs/private relay etc.) on-device controls, and there are those that don't have the resources to do that. You could say that it's a lost cause, that their kids will just find public Wi-Fi elsewhere, that their classmates with mobile data can just open unmonitored Wi-Fi hotspots from their devices etc., that the better approach is to educate kids and give them the skills to deal with the complete unfiltered internet rather than to build more guardrails, and I'd even agree with some of these arguments to an extent. But you'll almost certainly find parents within the same school that view it differently and you will be fighting an uphill battle.
  - geraldhh 3y ago
    karens ruining it for everyone... maybe the best thing is laughing

SR2Z 3y ago

Look, I hate censorship as much as the next person, but giving kids access to porn in school is a weird hill to die on when the useful parts of the Internet (at least for middle schoolers) are unblocked.

geraldhh 3y ago
very wired, indeed; everytime i had to do it. but i think it's worth the effort because everytime someone refrains from making others responsible for their own problems, the world get's a bit better to live in for everyone.
- flextheruler 3y ago
  You’re saying a world where students can sneak onto the teachers computer before class starts and put on porn and force the entire classroom to see and hear it is a better world? I can assure you that would be one of the main uses, because it was done in my classroom using sites that the filter missed. Ridiculous opining for an idealistic world where everyone is an inclined curious student demonstrates your disconnect from the real world. Too much time on HN and the internet will do that to you.
  - geraldhh 3y ago
    no, i am not saying that. sorry you misunderstood
- Loughla 3y ago
  Yes. Theories are great. The execution is where these things get messy. In theory, the responsibility for uncontrolled access to the Internet is something everyone should be responsible for, to themselves. Expecting children to be responsible and make positive decisions, and especially when they're working in groups, is naive at best. Teenagers aren't great at understanding consequences. And maybe open Internet access in schools isn't the best way to teach that?
  - geraldhh 3y ago