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I was going to answer your original question, but you edited it to now say this. If the charges were dropped; does it really matter what they have to say? As

I was going to answer your original question, but you edited it to now say this. If the charges were dropped; does it really matter what they have to say? As to your original question: I had a friend get arrested for picking up their wife's (narcotic) medications the day after she died. He didn't do it with any malicious intent, just habit. The cop didn't care. It took 4 years to get his day in court and the charges were dropped. There are many reasons to do things, that a cop will happily make look like whatever they want in order to get an arrest.

gwd 3y ago
> If the charges were dropped; does it really matter what they have to say? Obviously you don't owe anyone here an explanation. But you're the one who seem to want us to believe that you were innocent enough that throwing you out of the flat was completely unjust persecution; if that's what you want, then it's reasonable to expect you to account for how such a charge came to be filed against you. Criminal prosecution is (rightfully) hard; from a Baysean probability perspective, given no other evidence than what has been presented in this thread so far, which is more likely -- that the charges were dropped because they were a complete fantasy from the beginning, or because there were legal technicalities that would have made a conviction difficult? (That said, maybe I'm just naive, but I'd give "Man genuinely asks a random stranger on Craigslist to help you arrange sex with a minor" a fairly low Baysean "prior"... I'd definitely be looking for evidence of a set-up if I were the police.)
- withinboredom 3y ago
  > you're the one who seem to want us to believe that you were innocent enough that throwing you out of the flat was completely unjust persecution; if that's what you want, then it's reasonable to expect you to account for how such a charge came to be filed against you. Maybe you should check who you are replying to. I was originally answering your question about how things could take that long. I have no idea about OP, but I also provided an example of how cops will misconstrue things to simply get an arrest. In my own personal life, my parents had a cop search my car because they thought I was dealing drugs. The cop found a small ripped piece of paper (from who knows what), and claimed it was from rolling papers. So, I trust a cop saying "this is why X" about as far as you can throw toilet paper up their tree. > rom a Baysean probability perspective, given no other evidence than what has been presented in this thread so far, which is more likely -- that the charges were dropped because they were a complete fantasy from the beginning, or because there were legal technicalities that would have made a conviction difficult? In my experience, there is a far greater probability that they are completely fabricated nonsense.
  - gwd 3y ago
    > Maybe you should check who you are replying to. Looks like we both need to look at who we're replying to more closely -- this is my first post in the thread. ;-) > In my own personal life, my parents had a cop search my car because they thought I was dealing drugs. The cop found a small ripped piece of paper (from who knows what), and claimed it was from rolling papers. Right, so in this case, the question of "How would you account for the fact that police claimed a bit of paper was rolling paper for marijuana" is answered in part by the first sentence: The cop went in believing that drugs were almost certainly present (because a child's own parents reported them), and so was going to find something no matter what. "How would you account for the fact that it this police detective claims to have had a conversation in which John Doe agreed to meet at place X to pay for sex with a 12-year-old" is less easy to construct.
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      > Looks like we both need to look at who we're replying to more closely -- this is my first post in the thread. ;-) lol > The cop went in believing that drugs were almost certainly present (because a child's own parents reported them), and so was going to find something no matter what. Perhaps could be reworded: The cop went in believing that a pedophile were almost certainly present (because a child's parents reported them), and so was going to find something no matter what. For all we know, the parents were abusing the child and the child wanted to tell someone they trusted. The parent(s) found out and made some shit up. I don't know man. People do some weird shit. I once climbed up the side of an apartment building to beat my friends taking the stairs, just to surprise them. I'm sure an onlooker might think I was going to rob someone. It's like that old bias thing: A man takes an old lady's purse, is he a criminal? I left out a crucial detail, the old lady handed her son the purse.
      - baps 3y ago
        > The cop went in believing that a pedophile were almost certainly present (because a child's parents reported them), and so was going to find something no matter what. The articles I linked above state that it was a sting operation. The perpetrator thought he was paying $500 to the uncle of a 12-year-old girl (who was apparently still slightly too old for his liking) so that he could rape her, but really this was a scenario set up by the police to gather evidence, with the goal of preventing future harm to an actual child.
edm0nd 3y ago
The issue here is that qingcharles is lying. He is a creepy pedo who tried to meetup with a 12 year old to have sex and is a registered sex offender. "Bocock allegedly responded to a Craigslist advertisement posted by a Plainfield resident trying to get money for his car payment. But in exchange for the money, Bocock wanted a girl for sex, officials said. The Plainfield resident went to the police and an investigator pretending to be the cash-strapped Craigslist poster continued the online conversation with Bocock, officials said. The investigator reportedly offered Bocock his 12-year-old niece for the car payment money, and a rendezvous was set up for Monday afternoon at a Dunkin' Donuts on Route 59. After Bocock was taken into custody, police searched his North Tripp Avenue home and found "numerous" images of child pornography, Casson said."
- baps 3y ago
  Yes exactly this. If they were false charges as he claims, then he wouldn't be listed on the sex offender registry. His story just doesn't add up.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    I don’t know. I tend to believe people are innocent unless proven guilty. “Allegedly” kinda stands out here… Anyway, I can’t believe I’m arguing over basic human rights ingrained in the constitution. Well, I guess all rights go out the window “for the children” so I’m not surprised. Just disgusted.
    - edm0nd 3y ago
      Bro no one is left on a registered sex offender list if they were "innocent". No one is spending 10 years in prison "before a trial and then all charges got dropped". OP is a straight up pedo creeper on top of being a liar and you are defending them lol
      - withinboredom 3y ago
        > Bro no one is left on a registered sex offender list if they were "innocent". "Bro" according to the Illinois website, an "attempt" to commit any of these crimes (aka, arrested for them) puts you on this list. > No one is spending 10 years in prison "before a trial and then all charges got dropped". People spend quite a while in jail, simply waiting for court.[1] > OP is a straight up pedo creeper on top of being a liar and you are defending them lol 1. Everyone deserves to be treated fairly, it doesn't matter what they did over 10 years ago when literally every molecule in their body has been replaced several times over since then. 2. While this entire thread is a dox and personal attack on some random internet person, which is very clearly against the rules (@dang?), I'm not going to idly stand by because people can't think critically. [1]: https://cause.vmhost.psu.edu/usproc/sites/default/files/usresp/2021-2/Waiting%20for%20Trial%20A%20Case%20Study%20of%20Detention%20Times%20Prior%20to%20Sentencing.pdf https://cause.vmhost.psu.edu/usproc/sites/default/files/usre...

gwd 3y ago

> If the charges were dropped; does it really matter what they have to say? Obviously you don't owe anyone here an explanation. But you're the one who seem to want us to believe that you were innocent enough that throwing you out of the flat was completely unjust persecution; if that's what you want, then it's reasonable to expect you to account for how such a charge came to be filed against you. Criminal prosecution is (rightfully) hard; from a Baysean probability perspective, given no other evidence than what has been presented in this thread so far, which is more likely -- that the charges were dropped because they were a complete fantasy from the beginning, or because there were legal technicalities that would have made a conviction difficult? (That said, maybe I'm just naive, but I'd give "Man genuinely asks a random stranger on Craigslist to help you arrange sex with a minor" a fairly low Baysean "prior"... I'd definitely be looking for evidence of a set-up if I were the police.)

withinboredom 3y ago
> you're the one who seem to want us to believe that you were innocent enough that throwing you out of the flat was completely unjust persecution; if that's what you want, then it's reasonable to expect you to account for how such a charge came to be filed against you. Maybe you should check who you are replying to. I was originally answering your question about how things could take that long. I have no idea about OP, but I also provided an example of how cops will misconstrue things to simply get an arrest. In my own personal life, my parents had a cop search my car because they thought I was dealing drugs. The cop found a small ripped piece of paper (from who knows what), and claimed it was from rolling papers. So, I trust a cop saying "this is why X" about as far as you can throw toilet paper up their tree. > rom a Baysean probability perspective, given no other evidence than what has been presented in this thread so far, which is more likely -- that the charges were dropped because they were a complete fantasy from the beginning, or because there were legal technicalities that would have made a conviction difficult? In my experience, there is a far greater probability that they are completely fabricated nonsense.
- gwd 3y ago
  > Maybe you should check who you are replying to. Looks like we both need to look at who we're replying to more closely -- this is my first post in the thread. ;-) > In my own personal life, my parents had a cop search my car because they thought I was dealing drugs. The cop found a small ripped piece of paper (from who knows what), and claimed it was from rolling papers. Right, so in this case, the question of "How would you account for the fact that police claimed a bit of paper was rolling paper for marijuana" is answered in part by the first sentence: The cop went in believing that drugs were almost certainly present (because a child's own parents reported them), and so was going to find something no matter what. "How would you account for the fact that it this police detective claims to have had a conversation in which John Doe agreed to meet at place X to pay for sex with a 12-year-old" is less easy to construct.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    > Looks like we both need to look at who we're replying to more closely -- this is my first post in the thread. ;-) lol > The cop went in believing that drugs were almost certainly present (because a child's own parents reported them), and so was going to find something no matter what. Perhaps could be reworded: The cop went in believing that a pedophile were almost certainly present (because a child's parents reported them), and so was going to find something no matter what. For all we know, the parents were abusing the child and the child wanted to tell someone they trusted. The parent(s) found out and made some shit up. I don't know man. People do some weird shit. I once climbed up the side of an apartment building to beat my friends taking the stairs, just to surprise them. I'm sure an onlooker might think I was going to rob someone. It's like that old bias thing: A man takes an old lady's purse, is he a criminal? I left out a crucial detail, the old lady handed her son the purse.
    - baps 3y ago
      > The cop went in believing that a pedophile were almost certainly present (because a child's parents reported them), and so was going to find something no matter what. The articles I linked above state that it was a sting operation. The perpetrator thought he was paying $500 to the uncle of a 12-year-old girl (who was apparently still slightly too old for his liking) so that he could rape her, but really this was a scenario set up by the police to gather evidence, with the goal of preventing future harm to an actual child.

edm0nd 3y ago

The issue here is that qingcharles is lying. He is a creepy pedo who tried to meetup with a 12 year old to have sex and is a registered sex offender. "Bocock allegedly responded to a Craigslist advertisement posted by a Plainfield resident trying to get money for his car payment. But in exchange for the money, Bocock wanted a girl for sex, officials said. The Plainfield resident went to the police and an investigator pretending to be the cash-strapped Craigslist poster continued the online conversation with Bocock, officials said. The investigator reportedly offered Bocock his 12-year-old niece for the car payment money, and a rendezvous was set up for Monday afternoon at a Dunkin' Donuts on Route 59. After Bocock was taken into custody, police searched his North Tripp Avenue home and found "numerous" images of child pornography, Casson said."

baps 3y ago
Yes exactly this. If they were false charges as he claims, then he wouldn't be listed on the sex offender registry. His story just doesn't add up.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  I don’t know. I tend to believe people are innocent unless proven guilty. “Allegedly” kinda stands out here… Anyway, I can’t believe I’m arguing over basic human rights ingrained in the constitution. Well, I guess all rights go out the window “for the children” so I’m not surprised. Just disgusted.
  - edm0nd 3y ago
    Bro no one is left on a registered sex offender list if they were "innocent". No one is spending 10 years in prison "before a trial and then all charges got dropped". OP is a straight up pedo creeper on top of being a liar and you are defending them lol
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      > Bro no one is left on a registered sex offender list if they were "innocent". "Bro" according to the Illinois website, an "attempt" to commit any of these crimes (aka, arrested for them) puts you on this list. > No one is spending 10 years in prison "before a trial and then all charges got dropped". People spend quite a while in jail, simply waiting for court.[1] > OP is a straight up pedo creeper on top of being a liar and you are defending them lol 1. Everyone deserves to be treated fairly, it doesn't matter what they did over 10 years ago when literally every molecule in their body has been replaced several times over since then. 2. While this entire thread is a dox and personal attack on some random internet person, which is very clearly against the rules (@dang?), I'm not going to idly stand by because people can't think critically. [1]: https://cause.vmhost.psu.edu/usproc/sites/default/files/usresp/2021-2/Waiting%20for%20Trial%20A%20Case%20Study%20of%20Detention%20Times%20Prior%20to%20Sentencing.pdf https://cause.vmhost.psu.edu/usproc/sites/default/files/usre...