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Facebook is the new AOL. Exactly. And the worst part of it is there is a kid acting as CEO calling himself a "hacker". Hackers do not turn websites into corp

by 38f0ia 14y ago

Facebook is the new AOL. Exactly. And the worst part of it is there is a kid acting as CEO calling himself a "hacker". Hackers do not turn websites into corporations. Imagine if all ISP's were turned into "AOL's". Facebook did not connect billions of people. They were already connected. All they needed to do was share their contact details. And the facility for that already existed in thousands of other websites. People chose one website, Facebook. That's a good thing. And the credit should go to people for encouraging each other to all sign up at one website. But alas it is the website of a sociopath who took people's contact details (calling them "dumb fucks" for giving him their info), the way a spammer collects email addresses, or a cybercriminal collects credit card numbers, and then sold the information for financial gain (your info is worth maybe .85 to a few bucks at most in this market). He's creating the next generation of mailbox stuffed full of junk direct marketing. If Mark Zuckerberg is your hero you need think more carefully about what he has done and re-examine your principles.

romeodelight 14y ago
tell us how you really feel.
Mistone 14y ago
I think we can all agree that Zuckerburg is indeed a Hacker (in the HN context). He's been hacking since he was a kid, and he built facebook (duh). When he was at StartUp School a few years back - he was clearly in his element. If we are bashing fb for using personal info to sell ads - the same principal basically applies to any major social site in the world. Hate him or love him - fb has been a huge boon for the everyday people, tech startups, and hackers; and along the way has made Zuck and many others massively wealthy. Don't hate.
- f45s8g2 14y ago
  Maybe it's not "hate" of Zuckerberg. Maybe it's just looking at a person's actions and disapproving. "Hating the game." And every person with the skills has a choice whether they want to play it. Zuckerberg can do the right thing. He's just not doing it. And there's no reason we should expect everyone to celebrate this choice, no matter how much money is being poured in. Are you attributing the "boon" to one web developer when it really is a result of the inevitable growth of the web, mobile computing, internet connectivity, dropping costs for hardware, etc.? Or maybe it's the amazing feat of acquiring a billion users? Maybe you think that was heretofor impossible? If it wasn't the Facebook site, it would have been another site. Do you disagree? To think that Facebook made something possible that would not have been possible without one web developer seems irrational. It could have been anyone. People can connect. Not because of one person and his website, but because of technology. If a billion people choose to sign up and use your website as a hub for personal communication, I think that places some responsibility on you. Whether you become a billionaire or not should not affect that responsibility.
kamaal 14y ago
>>Facebook is the new AOL. There is nothing wrong with that actually. >>And the worst part of it is there is a kid acting as CEO calling himself a "hacker". Hackers do not turn websites into corporations. Imagine if all ISP's were turned into "AOL's". Please define what a hacker is. Seriously you make it look as though a hacker as just somebody who keeps doing tech work for free or a throw away price. What is wrong with hackers running companies? And making money? By the way he wrote a good enough part of the early website himself, hired people and sold it to investors. He built stuff which people wanted to use purely on his technical and selling skills. If this isn't good hacking I don't know what is. >>Facebook did not connect billions of people. They were already connected. All they needed to do was share their contact details. And the facility for that already existed in thousands of other websites. You could say the same about the telegraph, telephone, postal services, mobile phones or anything on the earth that connects people. Basically a way of 'contact' is what is needed for connecting people. >>People chose one website, Facebook. That's a good thing. And the credit should go to people for encouraging each other to all sign up at one website. Why did those people choose only Facebook? Why did people choose only iPhone, Why did people choose only Twitter? Why did people choose only <insert any useful thing>? >>But alas it is the website of a sociopath who took people's contact details (calling them "dumb fucks" for giving him their info), the way a spammer collects email addresses, or a cybercriminal collects credit card numbers, and then sold the information for financial gain (your info is worth maybe .85 to a few bucks at most in this market). He's creating the next generation of mailbox stuffed full of junk direct marketing. When you information even secret at the first place? >>If Mark Zuckerberg is your hero you need think more carefully about what he has done and re-examine your principles. Well he will always be a hero to many people. Because a college kid with computer in his dorm, built a product, a team full of hard working people which bought several millions to use their product. He continues to execute strong and ship great things. He also knows how to sell his work, the man just made the world $18 billion for his work! Do you think that is joke? Everyone around here knows how difficult it is to raise money to do <anything>. And we might talking of just hundreds or even thousands of dollars. Here the man made the world pay in tens of billions.
- gtirloni 14y ago
  Money, money, money. Valuation. Money. Rich. Money. Kid on dorm got rich. Money. Money. I don't see much about ethics, changing the world, expanding the frontiers of science, moving people out of poverty, anything like that. Now please play this right and tell me Mr. Zuck has donated lot of money he got from his business, how that's made the world better, etc.

by 38f0ia 14y ago

romeodelight 14y ago

tell us how you really feel.

Mistone 14y ago

I think we can all agree that Zuckerburg is indeed a Hacker (in the HN context). He's been hacking since he was a kid, and he built facebook (duh). When he was at StartUp School a few years back - he was clearly in his element. If we are bashing fb for using personal info to sell ads - the same principal basically applies to any major social site in the world. Hate him or love him - fb has been a huge boon for the everyday people, tech startups, and hackers; and along the way has made Zuck and many others massively wealthy. Don't hate.

f45s8g2 14y ago
Maybe it's not "hate" of Zuckerberg. Maybe it's just looking at a person's actions and disapproving. "Hating the game." And every person with the skills has a choice whether they want to play it. Zuckerberg can do the right thing. He's just not doing it. And there's no reason we should expect everyone to celebrate this choice, no matter how much money is being poured in. Are you attributing the "boon" to one web developer when it really is a result of the inevitable growth of the web, mobile computing, internet connectivity, dropping costs for hardware, etc.? Or maybe it's the amazing feat of acquiring a billion users? Maybe you think that was heretofor impossible? If it wasn't the Facebook site, it would have been another site. Do you disagree? To think that Facebook made something possible that would not have been possible without one web developer seems irrational. It could have been anyone. People can connect. Not because of one person and his website, but because of technology. If a billion people choose to sign up and use your website as a hub for personal communication, I think that places some responsibility on you. Whether you become a billionaire or not should not affect that responsibility.

kamaal 14y ago

>>Facebook is the new AOL. There is nothing wrong with that actually. >>And the worst part of it is there is a kid acting as CEO calling himself a "hacker". Hackers do not turn websites into corporations. Imagine if all ISP's were turned into "AOL's". Please define what a hacker is. Seriously you make it look as though a hacker as just somebody who keeps doing tech work for free or a throw away price. What is wrong with hackers running companies? And making money? By the way he wrote a good enough part of the early website himself, hired people and sold it to investors. He built stuff which people wanted to use purely on his technical and selling skills. If this isn't good hacking I don't know what is. >>Facebook did not connect billions of people. They were already connected. All they needed to do was share their contact details. And the facility for that already existed in thousands of other websites. You could say the same about the telegraph, telephone, postal services, mobile phones or anything on the earth that connects people. Basically a way of 'contact' is what is needed for connecting people. >>People chose one website, Facebook. That's a good thing. And the credit should go to people for encouraging each other to all sign up at one website. Why did those people choose only Facebook? Why did people choose only iPhone, Why did people choose only Twitter? Why did people choose only <insert any useful thing>? >>But alas it is the website of a sociopath who took people's contact details (calling them "dumb fucks" for giving him their info), the way a spammer collects email addresses, or a cybercriminal collects credit card numbers, and then sold the information for financial gain (your info is worth maybe .85 to a few bucks at most in this market). He's creating the next generation of mailbox stuffed full of junk direct marketing. When you information even secret at the first place? >>If Mark Zuckerberg is your hero you need think more carefully about what he has done and re-examine your principles. Well he will always be a hero to many people. Because a college kid with computer in his dorm, built a product, a team full of hard working people which bought several millions to use their product. He continues to execute strong and ship great things. He also knows how to sell his work, the man just made the world $18 billion for his work! Do you think that is joke? Everyone around here knows how difficult it is to raise money to do <anything>. And we might talking of just hundreds or even thousands of dollars. Here the man made the world pay in tens of billions.

gtirloni 14y ago
Money, money, money. Valuation. Money. Rich. Money. Kid on dorm got rich. Money. Money. I don't see much about ethics, changing the world, expanding the frontiers of science, moving people out of poverty, anything like that. Now please play this right and tell me Mr. Zuck has donated lot of money he got from his business, how that's made the world better, etc.