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Why should engineers be jailed for management decisions? Engineers are just told to build the mechanisms for passing data around. It's management that actually
by bheadmaster 3y ago
Why should engineers be jailed for management decisions?
Engineers are just told to build the mechanisms for passing data around. It's management that actually decides whether or not to collect data and what to do with it.
- 23B1 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
- M3L0NM4N 3y agoEngineers may not even realize the scope of what they’re contributing to. That was not the case with Nazis.
- graphe 3y agoEngineers at Facebook don't think they're slurping up BIG data? You make it seem so unknown or abstract for engineers today, claiming that Nazis knew the "scope" with no evidence, as if engineers knew the millions they were killing.
- thejohnconway 3y agoWell, low-level Nazis often said they didn't know the scope. The question is whether that is plausible given your position.
- zzzzzzzzzz10 3y agoIn both cases they have/had incomplete information but I'm pretty sure they know what is/was going on more or less
- rightbyte 3y agoThere is a ongoing more or less "AI" automated alleged genocide. There is no "we didn't realize the scope" excuse to be made. The engineers at the spyware vendors know their employers hand over data.
- bheadmaster 3y agoEngineers are fungible. Disobeying the management can only cause job loss for the engineer, and won't change a thing in management. The logic of punishing engineers comes from the false belief that engineers can all somehow synchronize their actions (through some kind of collective consciousness?) and coordinatedly disobey their supperiors in order to teach them a lesson. The world doesn't work that way and you know it.
- 23B1 3y agoPrison guards are fungible. Disobeying officers can only cause imprisonment, and won't change a thing in leadership. The logic of punishing prison guards comes from the false belief that soldiers can all somehow synchronize their actions (through some kind of collective consciousness?) and coordinatedly disobey their supperiors in order to teach them a lesson.
- bheadmaster 3y agoThat doesn't even make sense. What exactly are you trying to say? Please use sentences and explanations instead of links and analogies.
- bondarchuk 3y agoReal punishment for engineers might give them more power (and incentive) to push back against management.
- planede 3y agoIs this the inverse of trickle down economics?
- bheadmaster 3y agoYeah, let's punish the people who just want to feed their families, and don't have any real control over company decisions, so they may do our (the regulators') work for us... What could possibly go wrong? Why not jail their families, too? That would give them even more incentive to fight back!
- porkbeer 3y agoThis is the nuremburg defense. Might want to rethink it.
- bheadmaster 3y agoI re-thought it, and I stand by my arguments. Decision makers should be the ones punished for making decisions. As simple as that.
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