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I would be very interested, if somebody can access the full paper, to know what amount of alcohol is "light drinking" for them. 2 glasses a day ? a week ? a mon

by ysris 2y ago

I would be very interested, if somebody can access the full paper, to know what amount of alcohol is "light drinking" for them. 2 glasses a day ? a week ? a month ? with people ? during dinner ?

femto 2y ago
"less than 2 drinks a day". They draw the definition from Muscari et al. (2015).
- ysris 2y ago
  Thanks. Interesting. In France, where I am, awareness campaigns recommend sticking to a maximum of 2 glasses per day, for men, 1.5 for women. and not every day. And these values only take into account protection against serious health problems, such as stroke, not the problems of moderate daily alcohol consumption, such as for example the fact that alcohol being a depressant, consumption will have a impact on their general well-being. To be honest, I'm even more confused on what to think about this paper.
  - reducesuffering 2y ago
    The J-curve charts I've seen indicated lowest all-cause mortality at 3 drinks / week for men and 2 drinks / week for women. So even if you believe there's something healthy to alcohol (and it's not just the unhealthy people -> have to drink 0), it probably won't be any healthier going past 3 or 2 / week. Portion size is 12oz 5% beer, 5 oz 12% wine, 1.5oz 40% liquor.
    - ysris 2y ago
      Agreed. From what I know, the positive points of certain alcohols such as wine which would protect against heart problems have either been denied, or the same advantages have been found in everyday non-alcoholic products (green tea if I remember well).
  - genman 2y ago
    This is a general misconception. Alcohol being a depressant doesn't mean that it causes depression - it means that it depresses (that is - it lowers) the activity of nervous system. The opposite of a depressant is a stimulant (like amphetamine), not an antidepressant.
- mapreduce 2y ago
  > "less than 2 drinks a day" "less than 2 drinks a day" would be called "moderate drinking" in my culture. I mean if someone is having a drink or two everyday that is moderate drinking already. Light drinking for us would be like 3 drinks in a week! 4 drinks/week or more gets us into the moderate drinking territory.
  - Mordisquitos 2y ago
    To be fair, "less than 2 drinks a day" covers any range below the upper limit of 2 a day, and hence also includes what you consider light drinking in your culture. I suppose that the root of the matter is whether or not the range '>0 to <2 drinks a day' on average is too broad and may be hiding a significant difference of outcomes between the top of the range at 2 a day and the (non-abstinents) at the bottom who drink an average of, say, 2 drinks a week. And that's not even going into regularity. I'm sure that 2 drinks a day on the regular has different health impacts and social implications than 14 drinks a night only on Fridays.

by ysris 2y ago

I would be very interested, if somebody can access the full paper, to know what amount of alcohol is "light drinking" for them. 2 glasses a day ? a week ? a month ? with people ? during dinner ?

femto 2y ago

"less than 2 drinks a day". They draw the definition from Muscari et al. (2015).

ysris 2y ago
Thanks. Interesting. In France, where I am, awareness campaigns recommend sticking to a maximum of 2 glasses per day, for men, 1.5 for women. and not every day. And these values only take into account protection against serious health problems, such as stroke, not the problems of moderate daily alcohol consumption, such as for example the fact that alcohol being a depressant, consumption will have a impact on their general well-being. To be honest, I'm even more confused on what to think about this paper.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  The J-curve charts I've seen indicated lowest all-cause mortality at 3 drinks / week for men and 2 drinks / week for women. So even if you believe there's something healthy to alcohol (and it's not just the unhealthy people -> have to drink 0), it probably won't be any healthier going past 3 or 2 / week. Portion size is 12oz 5% beer, 5 oz 12% wine, 1.5oz 40% liquor.
  - ysris 2y ago
    Agreed. From what I know, the positive points of certain alcohols such as wine which would protect against heart problems have either been denied, or the same advantages have been found in everyday non-alcoholic products (green tea if I remember well).
- genman 2y ago
  This is a general misconception. Alcohol being a depressant doesn't mean that it causes depression - it means that it depresses (that is - it lowers) the activity of nervous system. The opposite of a depressant is a stimulant (like amphetamine), not an antidepressant.
mapreduce 2y ago
> "less than 2 drinks a day" "less than 2 drinks a day" would be called "moderate drinking" in my culture. I mean if someone is having a drink or two everyday that is moderate drinking already. Light drinking for us would be like 3 drinks in a week! 4 drinks/week or more gets us into the moderate drinking territory.
- Mordisquitos 2y ago
  To be fair, "less than 2 drinks a day" covers any range below the upper limit of 2 a day, and hence also includes what you consider light drinking in your culture. I suppose that the root of the matter is whether or not the range '>0 to <2 drinks a day' on average is too broad and may be hiding a significant difference of outcomes between the top of the range at 2 a day and the (non-abstinents) at the bottom who drink an average of, say, 2 drinks a week. And that's not even going into regularity. I'm sure that 2 drinks a day on the regular has different health impacts and social implications than 14 drinks a night only on Fridays.