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So it would be better. No innocent would go to prison. Abolishing system is valid option. If it is clearly failing it is not worth keeping.

by Ekaros 3y ago

slt2021 3y ago
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- HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
  Do you think no one reading this hasn't grown up there? Think before you speak.
  - kortilla 3y ago
    Nobody said that. Any the people who did grow up in unsafe areas generally don’t recommend it. It’s not a hot take.
- ruined 3y ago
  why do you say it's abolished there? it's my understanding that those areas are acutely suffering under the existing system.
lo_zamoyski 3y ago
The perfect is the enemy of the good. The notion that if something isn't perfect, it must be abolished is, simply put, ridiculous. Trivially, if you have no criminal justice system, no innocent person would go to prison; it's as foolish as claiming there would be no poverty if there were no human beings. But crime would increase. The bulwark against those who do not live according to moral principles, who do not respect the law, would be removed, as such people respond only to the fear of punishment. And the law and the justice system are also instructive. Part of their purpose is to teach. You will not teach justice without being just, and that entails punishment. The severity of the punishment is proportionate to the severity of the crime precisely because it signals and communicates to the perp that severity. It is feedback, hence instructive. A just person already accepts such punishment as just. It is far better to focus on reform, but in order to do that, you first have to have a good understanding of what the law is all about. And I admit: our criminal justice system does need improvement and reform.
fwipsy 3y ago
I believe that the system is currently working, in that it does less harm through wrongful/excessive punishments than would be done by criminals against innocent people in its absence. There's room for improvement, of course.

So it would be better. No innocent would go to prison. Abolishing system is valid option. If it is clearly failing it is not worth keeping.

by Ekaros 3y ago

So it would be better. No innocent would go to prison. Abolishing system is valid option. If it is clearly failing it is not worth keeping.

slt2021 3y ago

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HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
Do you think no one reading this hasn't grown up there? Think before you speak.
- kortilla 3y ago
  Nobody said that. Any the people who did grow up in unsafe areas generally don’t recommend it. It’s not a hot take.
ruined 3y ago
why do you say it's abolished there? it's my understanding that those areas are acutely suffering under the existing system.

lo_zamoyski 3y ago

The perfect is the enemy of the good. The notion that if something isn't perfect, it must be abolished is, simply put, ridiculous. Trivially, if you have no criminal justice system, no innocent person would go to prison; it's as foolish as claiming there would be no poverty if there were no human beings. But crime would increase. The bulwark against those who do not live according to moral principles, who do not respect the law, would be removed, as such people respond only to the fear of punishment. And the law and the justice system are also instructive. Part of their purpose is to teach. You will not teach justice without being just, and that entails punishment. The severity of the punishment is proportionate to the severity of the crime precisely because it signals and communicates to the perp that severity. It is feedback, hence instructive. A just person already accepts such punishment as just. It is far better to focus on reform, but in order to do that, you first have to have a good understanding of what the law is all about. And I admit: our criminal justice system does need improvement and reform.

fwipsy 3y ago

I believe that the system is currently working, in that it does less harm through wrongful/excessive punishments than would be done by criminals against innocent people in its absence. There's room for improvement, of course.