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At some point we should either give them life imprisonment or accept that if they are free to go then they paid their debt and need to be reintegrated (obviousl

by ivalm 3y ago

At some point we should either give them life imprisonment or accept that if they are free to go then they paid their debt and need to be reintegrated (obviously if they did sex offences against minors then don’t put them in jobs with high contact to minors).

diordiderot 3y ago
No death penalty if nitrogen hypoxia were the method?
- ivalm 3y ago
  I’m against death penalty because: 1. False conviction rate is unacceptably high 2. It’s financially similarly burdensome to do life imprisonment as death penalty 3. Presence of death penalty doesn’t seem to impact homicide rates I am all for putting some people in prison and never letting them out (because of high chance of recidivism).
  - sneak 3y ago
    These are bad reasons to be against the death penalty. Even if the state were always perfectly correct, the right to life is the most basic of human rights and the state should not deprive anyone, including criminals, of human rights.
    - planede 3y ago
      Jail already deprives people of human rights. I'm still against the death penalty though.
  - diordiderot 3y ago
    Is there any standard of evidence that could merit the death penalty? Should people be able to choose it over a life sentence? IMHO nitrogen would significantly bring that cost down
    - ivalm 3y ago
      The problem of cost is not the drugs, but the lengthy process to ensure that it's not a false conviction, and even with the current lengthy process it's still really not good enough. Should people be able to choose it? In general I'm all for assisted suicide, but I worry that it could be done coercively.
thaumasiotes 3y ago
> At some point we should either give them life imprisonment or accept that if they are free to go then they paid their debt and need to be reintegrated (obviously if they did sex offences against minors then don’t put them in jobs with high contact to minors). If lasting penalties are right for sex offenses against minors, why are they wrong for everything else?

by ivalm 3y ago

diordiderot 3y ago

No death penalty if nitrogen hypoxia were the method?

ivalm 3y ago
I’m against death penalty because: 1. False conviction rate is unacceptably high 2. It’s financially similarly burdensome to do life imprisonment as death penalty 3. Presence of death penalty doesn’t seem to impact homicide rates I am all for putting some people in prison and never letting them out (because of high chance of recidivism).
- sneak 3y ago
  These are bad reasons to be against the death penalty. Even if the state were always perfectly correct, the right to life is the most basic of human rights and the state should not deprive anyone, including criminals, of human rights.
  - planede 3y ago
    Jail already deprives people of human rights. I'm still against the death penalty though.
- diordiderot 3y ago
  Is there any standard of evidence that could merit the death penalty? Should people be able to choose it over a life sentence? IMHO nitrogen would significantly bring that cost down
  - ivalm 3y ago
    The problem of cost is not the drugs, but the lengthy process to ensure that it's not a false conviction, and even with the current lengthy process it's still really not good enough. Should people be able to choose it? In general I'm all for assisted suicide, but I worry that it could be done coercively.

thaumasiotes 3y ago

> At some point we should either give them life imprisonment or accept that if they are free to go then they paid their debt and need to be reintegrated (obviously if they did sex offences against minors then don’t put them in jobs with high contact to minors). If lasting penalties are right for sex offenses against minors, why are they wrong for everything else?