3 ms·
What if they raped children or murdered people? How far does it go? I can forgive but it also is wise to keep distance relative to the severity of the aberrati
by triyambakam 3y ago
What if they raped children or murdered people? How far does it go?
I can forgive but it also is wise to keep distance relative to the severity of the aberration.
- ivalm 3y agoAt some point we should either give them life imprisonment or accept that if they are free to go then they paid their debt and need to be reintegrated (obviously if they did sex offences against minors then don’t put them in jobs with high contact to minors).
- diordiderot 3y agoNo death penalty if nitrogen hypoxia were the method?
- ivalm 3y agoI’m against death penalty because: 1. False conviction rate is unacceptably high 2. It’s financially similarly burdensome to do life imprisonment as death penalty 3. Presence of death penalty doesn’t seem to impact homicide rates I am all for putting some people in prison and never letting them out (because of high chance of recidivism).
- sneak 3y agoThese are bad reasons to be against the death penalty. Even if the state were always perfectly correct, the right to life is the most basic of human rights and the state should not deprive anyone, including criminals, of human rights.
- planede 3y agoJail already deprives people of human rights. I'm still against the death penalty though.
- diordiderot 3y agoIs there any standard of evidence that could merit the death penalty? Should people be able to choose it over a life sentence? IMHO nitrogen would significantly bring that cost down
- ivalm 3y agoThe problem of cost is not the drugs, but the lengthy process to ensure that it's not a false conviction, and even with the current lengthy process it's still really not good enough. Should people be able to choose it? In general I'm all for assisted suicide, but I worry that it could be done coercively.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago> At some point we should either give them life imprisonment or accept that if they are free to go then they paid their debt and need to be reintegrated (obviously if they did sex offences against minors then don’t put them in jobs with high contact to minors). If lasting penalties are right for sex offenses against minors, why are they wrong for everything else?
- AnarchismIsCool 3y agoI'm deliberately keeping those examples out of my statement because those are touchier. Murdered people? That depends on circumstance. Wantonly raping children, nah, but if it's a "peeing in a bush at night 1000yds from school" type conviction I don't care.
- qingcharles 3y agoIt's weird for me, because there was a time when my only friends were murderers. To say that murderers are some of the nicest people I've ever met, on the whole, is a rather bizarre statement. If I was locked up again and had the choice who to hang with, it would be murderers all the way. I'm still in contact with many of them on a day-to-day basis.
- krisoft 3y ago> but if it's a "peeing in a bush at night 1000yds from school" type conviction I don't care. That depends on what the job is, isn’t it? If it would give them more access to children that would be cause for concern. Same way about bank robbery. Previous bank robbery would give me a much bigger pause if we work on bank security or adjecent fields for example.