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Another day another abuse built into the core of the DMCA. Seriously the fact that copyright violation has 10s of thousands if not millions in penalties, but f

by olliej 3y ago

Another day another abuse built into the core of the DMCA. Seriously the fact that copyright violation has 10s of thousands if not millions in penalties, but fraudulent copyright claims don’t even cover legal costs is so gross. It’s right up there with “it’s a crime for you to create derivative work, but not for a VC funded ‘AI’ company to”

spxneo 3y ago
here's the thing and i had my share of arguments on twitter around this if your work is not generating $$$ its probably not worth anything to sue over all these artists are rightfully upset that Stability is making money off them by scraping their copyrighted content from Deviant Art or Tumblr but without significant revenues, you are at the mercy of eager class action attorneys who will take most of the winnings and are just as quick to settle for a 99% probability of cashing out. so it is a "crime" like it would be if you would run gameboy ROMs on emulator.js and sell advertisement. It won't even register on the politicians minds. Hollywood studio finding their work used to train LLMs? Well you saw how eager biden was taking down Megaupload. Money talks and your content if its not owned by a large studio and not raking in significant tax revenues, its probably worthless in the minds of the judge/jury/politicians
- olliej 3y ago
  The penalty for IP theft is monetary, and the monetary penalties are independent on whether it creates value. Companies routinely sue people for distributing products they literally no longer sell, it does not matter. In the same way that when someone steals your tv, they don’t get to just return or pay for the TV if they’re caught. If an AI company is consuming your work, it definitionally has value, and they have no more right to it than you have to any of their property. Now if one of these companies is happy to let you take, use, and/or charge for their services without paying them then I’d wouldn’t consider them hypocritical thieves, but they don’t, so I don’t. It like all the “AI” trained on OSS software. That has value to you, literally the entire look t of licenses like the GPL is that that software has value, and you are in no way giving it away for free, and the license explicitly requires compensation.

by olliej 3y ago

spxneo 3y ago

here's the thing and i had my share of arguments on twitter around this if your work is not generating $$$ its probably not worth anything to sue over all these artists are rightfully upset that Stability is making money off them by scraping their copyrighted content from Deviant Art or Tumblr but without significant revenues, you are at the mercy of eager class action attorneys who will take most of the winnings and are just as quick to settle for a 99% probability of cashing out. so it is a "crime" like it would be if you would run gameboy ROMs on emulator.js and sell advertisement. It won't even register on the politicians minds. Hollywood studio finding their work used to train LLMs? Well you saw how eager biden was taking down Megaupload. Money talks and your content if its not owned by a large studio and not raking in significant tax revenues, its probably worthless in the minds of the judge/jury/politicians

olliej 3y ago
The penalty for IP theft is monetary, and the monetary penalties are independent on whether it creates value. Companies routinely sue people for distributing products they literally no longer sell, it does not matter. In the same way that when someone steals your tv, they don’t get to just return or pay for the TV if they’re caught. If an AI company is consuming your work, it definitionally has value, and they have no more right to it than you have to any of their property. Now if one of these companies is happy to let you take, use, and/or charge for their services without paying them then I’d wouldn’t consider them hypocritical thieves, but they don’t, so I don’t. It like all the “AI” trained on OSS software. That has value to you, literally the entire look t of licenses like the GPL is that that software has value, and you are in no way giving it away for free, and the license explicitly requires compensation.