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Hey Ian We don't know each other and I wasn't aware you were interested. I don't think you've reached out to me before. It sounds like you have a very negativ

Hey Ian We don't know each other and I wasn't aware you were interested. I don't think you've reached out to me before. It sounds like you have a very negative impression of me and my work, and I'm sure it seems like a lot of people have that. I'm sorry for getting the Gumroad capitalization wrong: I've changed that Gumroad to the correct one. I think it's understandable that people can get confused so let's bring some clarity to that. I'll deal with the linked comments first? But I'll add more in edits https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35490389 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35490389 - The difficulty in ELI5: It is hard, because it's like "What can you build with a browser you can embed". Sort of like anything. From your days in YC, you may be connected to another recent YC company also offering embeddable multiplayer browsers. The possibilities are endless. See my other comments in this thread for ideas. - The belief that BrowserBox is a rip off of ViewFinderJS ( I assume that's what "to MuleSoft" something means). Actually, ViewFinderJS was a name I gave the project at one point in the past, because it's like a viewfinder, and I like photography. But I thought the name wasn't as clear as something else. So I basically just changed the name whenever I came up with a better one. Kind of like "open creative process" or "showing my work". Just change to the better name whenever I had one. Some other names in the past were: Zanj, BrowserGap. You can think of CloudTabs as an application of the BrowserBox technology! I understand the succession of names can be confusing but I Just wanted to arrive at the best one. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35495911 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35495911 - That is quite a lot of research. Someone really spent some time looking into all the licenses of the past. I was surprised why they didn't just email me: suddenly this research appears on my thread from someone I've never heard from before. Again, it's like the names: I just changed it when I thought I could have a better license. I felt ripped off by open source licenses, and people's sense of entitlement. I felt I'd been duped into using OSS licenses, but people didn't care about me or my work, they just wanted something for themselves. I didn't understand licenses at first. And then I started to get a picture, still within the "dogma" of OSS, and I thought AGPL. But in the end I just realized OSS is not a good fit for something which is a comprehensive product like BrowserBox is (better fit for a component). And at different points I'd read something and think, "Oh, that's the good license" and kind of get excited about it and put it in there, and then change it later. More just like an artistic process. Repainting / reworking. Maybe you can say it's not ideal from a license point of view, but...like, I don't really care. We put in a lot of work on this. And I want to capture the rewards of that. OSS licenses were getting in the way here, so they had to go. But I went through a process of thinking maybe there was a better option in OSS, but turns out there wasn't. I imagine some people are pissed off that they can't get that tech for free. I thought people would pay even if it was OSS, but people are not like that. I'm not worried about the earlier work: it's just like a contribution to the community. We put in so much work since then, people can't take that. At the end of the day, if people want to license our technology, they can just deal with us transparently, in the open, and pay. If it's so valuable, of course they will. And if you're an individual or non-profit, there's the non-commercial option. What else was there? > I think finding an elegant (and not shady) way of providing clear, transparent answers to these questions would go a long way towards your journey, and I think it's important to notice recurring themes in people's reactions, and consider what's amiss, and what it'd take for your product to be more likeable. Sounds as if you've seen something shady, inelegant, nontransparent, amiss or unlikeable in your observation of me and my work and you think it recurs? I suppose the idea of a browser does rouse people’s suspicions about privacy. A browser is a personal garment you wear very close to your skin. It is unusual to outsource that to anyone. Completely understandable concern. And however people come to the idea of shady, amiss, unlikeable, untransparent, I guess it’s possible for them to form those opinions. The confusion over what the project is, over all the licenses, even the name. The feeling of betrayed expectations when we changed the licenses. It’s natural that people will get confused, even angry, and it's understandable. And I suppose it’s inevitable that some people will form really negative opinions, out of a cautious suspicion, and maybe even anger that they feel they can't get something for free now, and so on. It’s understandable. It's unfortunate, but I mean, it's not a straight line. This is hard work to make something like this. And it's not easy to make the process itself look so neat, especially when you work in the open, and all your decisions and revisions of your perspective are there in the record. It's not a straight line. What can I say? I'm not perfect. But I don't pretend to be. It's a work in progress. Is that so hard to accept? I get if you want to read something bad into all this. Maybe you've got something against me. Maybe you're friends with people who feel angry it's not free anymore. I don't know. So I get if you want to read something bad into all this, from your own mind. But that's not about me. Where do you draw the line? Reality and perception, how are you so sure? I know you started with some compliments and questions about my reasons for working on this so let's end there: I think in the future every browser will be streaming. There's a trend towards fatter servers that AI is just 1 part of. Bandwidth only gets better, and experiences will evolve ever richer, with VR. Interactive video will become normal, and this browser is like the first interactive "streaming video" application that's not a game, and not just a blackbox desktop portal. I also think that by taking this "impermeable" ubiquitous tool, and opening it up through programmability and virtualization into something you can customize and build anything atop of, you open up so many new experiences. My main reason to build this at the start was I was doing web scraping projects for a client, and I wanted a better way to reduce repetitive work. So I started dreaming of what the best version of that tool would look like: and it wouldn't be a chrome extension, or a downloadable app. It would just work in the browser, without a download. But iframe's couldn't do it, and Chrome packaged apps (with their Webview) tag were going away (and never I think on mobile anyway). So slowly this idea evolved. At some point I realized (around the time of the Gartner report), that a "remote browser" was a product layer in its own right. So, since that time I've been working to perfect that layer, both as its own layer, and as a foundation for future work. Necessarily, I've gotten into cybersecurity, which necessitates a focus on security and privacy. Thank you for this opportunity to shine some light in dark places and flush out some cobwebs! Hahaha :)

thatha7777 3y ago
edit: Okay, nvm, thank you for giving me permission to form opinions -- I regret attempting to dive down into "why people come to the idea [of shadiness]". Your position is understandable, best of luck. Peace :) --- original post: That's how posting on a forum works --- most people read, very few engage. I've been reluctant to engage because I found some answers like "you can go look at the pricing in the HTML of the SPA" particularly uninviting. Especially after I invested some time... trying to comprehend how much I should care about what you're building. Thank you for all the other points -- and let me put aside any "something feels off" references/notes/comments. (In my (very limited) life experience, when you ask for feedback... actually addressing it goes very well (in life, and also on HN). Additionally, introducing yourself as an actual person with a backstory seems to work. In case you have never ran across it, may I recommend https://news.ycombinator.com/yli.html https://news.ycombinator.com/yli.html ? My main question (and point of curiosity) remains: You seem to love building BrowserBox. Why? How did you come across this? (This is supposed to be an anthropocentric question, thereby best answered by anthropocentric terms -- not technological terms.) GIVE US THE/A NARRATIVE.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Hahaha! :) Okay, wow. That's an interesting take. Good luck, bud
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Anyway, I looked more into this and, I think it's worth saying more on this. For those who want to just skip to the good stuff, you can purchase licenses at: https://dosyago.com https://dosyago.com or by contacting sales@dosyago.com We support a range of use cases include full white-labeling, concurrent user seats, named user seats, perpetual licensing, or yearly licensing for our remote isolated browsing technology. We'll be rolling out a developer API later in 2024, and we have other exciting announcements coming up. Right now we primarily offer licensing, as well as offering a wide variety of tailored support, maintenance and customization packages!!! :) Just wanted to also note some good comments on this original post that were somehow dead flagged: Thanks, CloudTabs looks useful for me. And the pricing is affordable. I tried it for a while and it's quite smooth. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39953372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39953372 - Thank you! It really is affordable haha :) I googled my location by using "where am i", it showed Area 51 Nevada, haha https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39932709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39932709 -- haha, yep this is true! It's a little inside joke with us. A way to hide your geo while providing a comical answer. A nod to our interest in UFOs and the frontiers of tech, consciousness and science! :) -- Also I wanted to say something else about Ian, the other 'bad' commenter that was dead flagged. So...here's linked some blog posts from him to counter all the crazy links he did to our years old commits and comments, which nevertheless simply show our work and honest evolving through process over time!!!! Unlike him, his dishonest. Hahah :) ): https://atha.io/blog/2012-12-04-in-the-news-the-grinnell-magazine https://atha.io/blog/2012-12-04-in-the-news-the-grinnell-mag... https://web.archive.org/web/20190820190136/https://atha.io/post/2019-08-20-how-i-hacked-my-parents-and-my-neighbor-too-at-age-12/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190820190136/https://atha.io/p... Ian is unfortunately previously associated with YC and I consider it not a good look for someone like that to jump onto a YC property / Show HN and make really negative comments. Especially considering that YC people are often involved in reviewing YC applications and it seems he could have been involved in reviewing some of our previous applications. Which makes his lies about "shady" behavior all the more egregious! A perversion of truth and possibly a violation of personal information. I think that's possibly where he begun his fixation. But clearly the only person displaying shady behavior here, is Ian! What could he possibly be talking about? -- besides his own projections? Because I've changed my username on HN? So? My previous account, which I linked to when I first created this current one is totally fine. But I'm not going to be coerced into linking to just because someone makes some shady false allegations, but it's easy to find. But the reason I left that? Because I'd accrued more than 10,000+ karma in under 3 years. And I just thought, "This is too easy. I want to start fresh". So I did. Ian sees a problem with that, he's just projecting some negative from his own mind. I mean, I get if he would be doing something "shady" in that situation himself - I'm certainly not. So all I can say to him is: Ian, you find there what you bring to it. I get you feel that way about me and my work and my company, and my products, but that's not how it is. Sorry to say, man. You're deluded. When he says "Thanks for letting me form opinions" I'm like what? I'm saying my opinion, truth of what happened in push back to his? Why would he say that? He really expects us to be silent when he makes all those phony allegations and insinuations? He wants a silent compliant victim? Fuck that. I am gonna stand up. For myself, my product and my company. Simple. But it's very abusive and only reflective of his personality for him to come here and be so negative, and lying. To be clear I never "gave him permission" to form opinions. How ridiculous! It speaks to him framing it as if we're somehow trying to "control" this but he's trying to control the discussion with his abusive crazy insinuations on our positive Show HN post. Frankly, I do not care what insane opinions he forms, I don't even hope they're informed, I don't expect that in his case. I just don't want him misleading other people. That's why I replied. I definitely don't need to defend myself from his craziness, I only replied to him because other people might have been misled by his lies and I choose to bring clarity to that. And stand up for myself. I mean, if he really was just "wanting to know" or "wanting to help" and had been watching us for years as he said (fucking creepy tho), why not just send me an email? If he really had concerns, why not do that rather than trying to humiliate us here, on the moment we are showing our work? It seems very clearly, he's not trying to be nice or helpful, he's just trying to hurt us. Doesn't he have any empathy with how I'd feel with that kind of comment and insinuations? How we'd all feel? Doesn't he have any respect for the kind of hard work it takes to create something like this? And he just comes on with this crazy insinuations, that was the first comment on our Show, at it's peak while on the front page, trying to tarnish our reputation? Completely baselessly and without any evidence. Like standing up in front of a massive audience to say some crazy shit about the person taking center stage. It's jealous, and it's hurtful. Doesn't he care? So that's the kind of abuse we're dealing with here with him. Well he didn't succeed at tarnishing our reputation. We accrued more than 11000 users on the web desktop since launching this. And over 350 new signups and even some subscribers to what's basically a new version demo. But the question remains why is he interested in hurting us? Viewing his blog shows nothing to suggest his fixation with us or BrowserBox/CloudTabs/DOSYAGO DOSAYGO. Tho as his blog posts about hacking his neighbors shows he displays a certain nefarious lack of respect of other people's boundaries. Anyway, I conclude that he must simply have personal connections to some competitors who intended to use our work when under a permissive license and became furious when we restricted it to noncommercial use with commercial licenses purchasable (at https://dosyago.com https://dosyago.com or by reaching out to sales@dosyago.com :)). And he was simply expressing their frustration in an abusive manner by proxy, by trying to ruin our reputation by concern trolling our Show HN and baselessly suggesting impropriety. Alternately, I suppose it's more interesting to consider that he's done something bad afoul of the law, but his connections have landed him reprieve in exchange for being compromised and he's running this little op at the behest of his handler. It sounds bizarre, but as we're in the cybersecurity space we get approaches all the time from people not who they say they are. Anyway, hopefully his bizarre, deranged "ALL CAPS" response above to my calm and friendly (super generous) response to his initial comment should convince anyone who cares to look that we don't need to take him seriously. But questions still remain around his unhinged obsession with our product and abusive, gratuitous negativity towards that and me, bizarrely! I've never interacted with him before this, so it's just totally fucking weird. I'm adding this comment now because it's good to have a record against crazy people like this. I suspect he's the type to get obsessed and stalkery and pursue this more in future, so this is us putting the foot down. I feel it's kind of humorous tho, how far he's fallen from being a YC alum. And while it doesn't look good for YC to have this association with his shady character and behavior, I don't hold them responsible. It doesn't matter. They can't control his behavior. So we need to say something that's all. Hopefully he reforms himself and behaves better next time, and stops being abusive on people's products, when they're supposed to be celebrating them. Or at least constructively criticizing them, not offering weird, unhappy, unhinged, personal vindictive commentary that seems to come from some kind of strange vendetta. Most likely just come from his jealousy! Fix yourself instead of blaming others, bud! Anyway, hopefully that clears up all his craziness and puts a stop to it. If not, we might have to consider some other steps. Tho we probably don't have to worry, tho it is really annoying and I don't like bad behavior from people. Especially the type leveled by someone who abuses their intellect to try to hurt others, and deceptively sheaths their cruelty in a few nice sounding words and pretense of goodness. Oh well, the world is full of bad people, can't do anything about that. I guess the best way to stop to this is just to say: Why do we work on this product? We love the work. Different of our staff love different things. I personally enjoy technical challenges, the satisfaction of resolving problems, and building something, crafting it. And I think this space is cool. Tho personally I am definitely enjoying having to program less now. For others, they think it's a cool place to work and that we have great customers. Plus it makes a huge amount of money for relatively little outlay, so we wouldn't we work on it? Hahahah! It’s he tries to frame it that there’s “recurring themes” that are “amiss” in our product: there’s nothing that’s amiss, and there’s nothing that’s recurring about that because it doesn’t exist. People love our product. We’re building something that we think is cool, and our customers love it, and that’s awesome. It’s very ironic and telling and reflective of Ian that he brings up “likable” (and tries to frame our product as needing to be more likable, insinuating somehow we haven’t had success or done well enough): I think the only unlikeable thing is his comment here, and his attitude in general. Also, he’s probably just bitter. Check out his GitHub, mine has 6000 more stars than his. Hahaha! And he’s complaining about “likable” he’s just projecting, ridiculously obviously. The only thing that needs to be more likable and more successful is what he works on! It’s crazy that some people totally take what they think of themselves and then just project it on someone else because they’re too afraid to face that about themselves. It’s so abusive tho. I do not tolerate that kind of behavior. Our product is so much more likeable than anything he’s created. It’s so telling of him that he tries to frame it otherwise; yeah, he needs to believe it’s that way, for his own sanity. I think we can go further: we are so much more likeable than Ian. I am so much more likeable than Ian. But this is not a popularity contest. It’s about integrity, honesty and building something that people want. And that’s what we’ve done. He’s just bitter. And I feel for him, I really do. I feel very sad for him, it’s terrible. I’m sure he’s going through something hard. But I can’t let that compassion and empathy for someone damaged and hurting allow me to tolerate their bad behavior. Especially unanswered. I choose to answer it, and stand up for myself, my company and the people who work with us, and work for us. They don’t deserve his abuse, none of us do. I don’t deserve it. And I hate to see this slickly created insinuations masking itself as something reasonable, when it’s not. But ultimately that is just a reflection of his personality. Slick, deceptive, but ultimately corrupt. That’s his product. Fuck yeah! :) hahaha :) I am not going to tolerate bullshit from people like that. I don't have a tolerance for bad, malicious behavior either from customers (who we curate and vet, only working with those we approve of), strangers or anyone else. And so I'm standing up to this, here with this pushback message. I just hope Ian feels like he can finally satisfy his father and come up to his level, so he stops taking out his emotions on other people's work, just projecting his own insecurities. Thanks for reading! Hahahahaha :)

thatha7777 3y ago

edit: Okay, nvm, thank you for giving me permission to form opinions -- I regret attempting to dive down into "why people come to the idea [of shadiness]". Your position is understandable, best of luck. Peace :) --- original post: That's how posting on a forum works --- most people read, very few engage. I've been reluctant to engage because I found some answers like "you can go look at the pricing in the HTML of the SPA" particularly uninviting. Especially after I invested some time... trying to comprehend how much I should care about what you're building. Thank you for all the other points -- and let me put aside any "something feels off" references/notes/comments. (In my (very limited) life experience, when you ask for feedback... actually addressing it goes very well (in life, and also on HN). Additionally, introducing yourself as an actual person with a backstory seems to work. In case you have never ran across it, may I recommend https://news.ycombinator.com/yli.html https://news.ycombinator.com/yli.html ? My main question (and point of curiosity) remains: You seem to love building BrowserBox. Why? How did you come across this? (This is supposed to be an anthropocentric question, thereby best answered by anthropocentric terms -- not technological terms.) GIVE US THE/A NARRATIVE.

keepamovin 3y ago
Hahaha! :) Okay, wow. That's an interesting take. Good luck, bud
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Anyway, I looked more into this and, I think it's worth saying more on this. For those who want to just skip to the good stuff, you can purchase licenses at: https://dosyago.com https://dosyago.com or by contacting sales@dosyago.com We support a range of use cases include full white-labeling, concurrent user seats, named user seats, perpetual licensing, or yearly licensing for our remote isolated browsing technology. We'll be rolling out a developer API later in 2024, and we have other exciting announcements coming up. Right now we primarily offer licensing, as well as offering a wide variety of tailored support, maintenance and customization packages!!! :) Just wanted to also note some good comments on this original post that were somehow dead flagged: Thanks, CloudTabs looks useful for me. And the pricing is affordable. I tried it for a while and it's quite smooth. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39953372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39953372 - Thank you! It really is affordable haha :) I googled my location by using "where am i", it showed Area 51 Nevada, haha https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39932709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39932709 -- haha, yep this is true! It's a little inside joke with us. A way to hide your geo while providing a comical answer. A nod to our interest in UFOs and the frontiers of tech, consciousness and science! :) -- Also I wanted to say something else about Ian, the other 'bad' commenter that was dead flagged. So...here's linked some blog posts from him to counter all the crazy links he did to our years old commits and comments, which nevertheless simply show our work and honest evolving through process over time!!!! Unlike him, his dishonest. Hahah :) ): https://atha.io/blog/2012-12-04-in-the-news-the-grinnell-magazine https://atha.io/blog/2012-12-04-in-the-news-the-grinnell-mag... https://web.archive.org/web/20190820190136/https://atha.io/post/2019-08-20-how-i-hacked-my-parents-and-my-neighbor-too-at-age-12/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190820190136/https://atha.io/p... Ian is unfortunately previously associated with YC and I consider it not a good look for someone like that to jump onto a YC property / Show HN and make really negative comments. Especially considering that YC people are often involved in reviewing YC applications and it seems he could have been involved in reviewing some of our previous applications. Which makes his lies about "shady" behavior all the more egregious! A perversion of truth and possibly a violation of personal information. I think that's possibly where he begun his fixation. But clearly the only person displaying shady behavior here, is Ian! What could he possibly be talking about? -- besides his own projections? Because I've changed my username on HN? So? My previous account, which I linked to when I first created this current one is totally fine. But I'm not going to be coerced into linking to just because someone makes some shady false allegations, but it's easy to find. But the reason I left that? Because I'd accrued more than 10,000+ karma in under 3 years. And I just thought, "This is too easy. I want to start fresh". So I did. Ian sees a problem with that, he's just projecting some negative from his own mind. I mean, I get if he would be doing something "shady" in that situation himself - I'm certainly not. So all I can say to him is: Ian, you find there what you bring to it. I get you feel that way about me and my work and my company, and my products, but that's not how it is. Sorry to say, man. You're deluded. When he says "Thanks for letting me form opinions" I'm like what? I'm saying my opinion, truth of what happened in push back to his? Why would he say that? He really expects us to be silent when he makes all those phony allegations and insinuations? He wants a silent compliant victim? Fuck that. I am gonna stand up. For myself, my product and my company. Simple. But it's very abusive and only reflective of his personality for him to come here and be so negative, and lying. To be clear I never "gave him permission" to form opinions. How ridiculous! It speaks to him framing it as if we're somehow trying to "control" this but he's trying to control the discussion with his abusive crazy insinuations on our positive Show HN post. Frankly, I do not care what insane opinions he forms, I don't even hope they're informed, I don't expect that in his case. I just don't want him misleading other people. That's why I replied. I definitely don't need to defend myself from his craziness, I only replied to him because other people might have been misled by his lies and I choose to bring clarity to that. And stand up for myself. I mean, if he really was just "wanting to know" or "wanting to help" and had been watching us for years as he said (fucking creepy tho), why not just send me an email? If he really had concerns, why not do that rather than trying to humiliate us here, on the moment we are showing our work? It seems very clearly, he's not trying to be nice or helpful, he's just trying to hurt us. Doesn't he have any empathy with how I'd feel with that kind of comment and insinuations? How we'd all feel? Doesn't he have any respect for the kind of hard work it takes to create something like this? And he just comes on with this crazy insinuations, that was the first comment on our Show, at it's peak while on the front page, trying to tarnish our reputation? Completely baselessly and without any evidence. Like standing up in front of a massive audience to say some crazy shit about the person taking center stage. It's jealous, and it's hurtful. Doesn't he care? So that's the kind of abuse we're dealing with here with him. Well he didn't succeed at tarnishing our reputation. We accrued more than 11000 users on the web desktop since launching this. And over 350 new signups and even some subscribers to what's basically a new version demo. But the question remains why is he interested in hurting us? Viewing his blog shows nothing to suggest his fixation with us or BrowserBox/CloudTabs/DOSYAGO DOSAYGO. Tho as his blog posts about hacking his neighbors shows he displays a certain nefarious lack of respect of other people's boundaries. Anyway, I conclude that he must simply have personal connections to some competitors who intended to use our work when under a permissive license and became furious when we restricted it to noncommercial use with commercial licenses purchasable (at https://dosyago.com https://dosyago.com or by reaching out to sales@dosyago.com :)). And he was simply expressing their frustration in an abusive manner by proxy, by trying to ruin our reputation by concern trolling our Show HN and baselessly suggesting impropriety. Alternately, I suppose it's more interesting to consider that he's done something bad afoul of the law, but his connections have landed him reprieve in exchange for being compromised and he's running this little op at the behest of his handler. It sounds bizarre, but as we're in the cybersecurity space we get approaches all the time from people not who they say they are. Anyway, hopefully his bizarre, deranged "ALL CAPS" response above to my calm and friendly (super generous) response to his initial comment should convince anyone who cares to look that we don't need to take him seriously. But questions still remain around his unhinged obsession with our product and abusive, gratuitous negativity towards that and me, bizarrely! I've never interacted with him before this, so it's just totally fucking weird. I'm adding this comment now because it's good to have a record against crazy people like this. I suspect he's the type to get obsessed and stalkery and pursue this more in future, so this is us putting the foot down. I feel it's kind of humorous tho, how far he's fallen from being a YC alum. And while it doesn't look good for YC to have this association with his shady character and behavior, I don't hold them responsible. It doesn't matter. They can't control his behavior. So we need to say something that's all. Hopefully he reforms himself and behaves better next time, and stops being abusive on people's products, when they're supposed to be celebrating them. Or at least constructively criticizing them, not offering weird, unhappy, unhinged, personal vindictive commentary that seems to come from some kind of strange vendetta. Most likely just come from his jealousy! Fix yourself instead of blaming others, bud! Anyway, hopefully that clears up all his craziness and puts a stop to it. If not, we might have to consider some other steps. Tho we probably don't have to worry, tho it is really annoying and I don't like bad behavior from people. Especially the type leveled by someone who abuses their intellect to try to hurt others, and deceptively sheaths their cruelty in a few nice sounding words and pretense of goodness. Oh well, the world is full of bad people, can't do anything about that. I guess the best way to stop to this is just to say: Why do we work on this product? We love the work. Different of our staff love different things. I personally enjoy technical challenges, the satisfaction of resolving problems, and building something, crafting it. And I think this space is cool. Tho personally I am definitely enjoying having to program less now. For others, they think it's a cool place to work and that we have great customers. Plus it makes a huge amount of money for relatively little outlay, so we wouldn't we work on it? Hahahah! It’s he tries to frame it that there’s “recurring themes” that are “amiss” in our product: there’s nothing that’s amiss, and there’s nothing that’s recurring about that because it doesn’t exist. People love our product. We’re building something that we think is cool, and our customers love it, and that’s awesome. It’s very ironic and telling and reflective of Ian that he brings up “likable” (and tries to frame our product as needing to be more likable, insinuating somehow we haven’t had success or done well enough): I think the only unlikeable thing is his comment here, and his attitude in general. Also, he’s probably just bitter. Check out his GitHub, mine has 6000 more stars than his. Hahaha! And he’s complaining about “likable” he’s just projecting, ridiculously obviously. The only thing that needs to be more likable and more successful is what he works on! It’s crazy that some people totally take what they think of themselves and then just project it on someone else because they’re too afraid to face that about themselves. It’s so abusive tho. I do not tolerate that kind of behavior. Our product is so much more likeable than anything he’s created. It’s so telling of him that he tries to frame it otherwise; yeah, he needs to believe it’s that way, for his own sanity. I think we can go further: we are so much more likeable than Ian. I am so much more likeable than Ian. But this is not a popularity contest. It’s about integrity, honesty and building something that people want. And that’s what we’ve done. He’s just bitter. And I feel for him, I really do. I feel very sad for him, it’s terrible. I’m sure he’s going through something hard. But I can’t let that compassion and empathy for someone damaged and hurting allow me to tolerate their bad behavior. Especially unanswered. I choose to answer it, and stand up for myself, my company and the people who work with us, and work for us. They don’t deserve his abuse, none of us do. I don’t deserve it. And I hate to see this slickly created insinuations masking itself as something reasonable, when it’s not. But ultimately that is just a reflection of his personality. Slick, deceptive, but ultimately corrupt. That’s his product. Fuck yeah! :) hahaha :) I am not going to tolerate bullshit from people like that. I don't have a tolerance for bad, malicious behavior either from customers (who we curate and vet, only working with those we approve of), strangers or anyone else. And so I'm standing up to this, here with this pushback message. I just hope Ian feels like he can finally satisfy his father and come up to his level, so he stops taking out his emotions on other people's work, just projecting his own insecurities. Thanks for reading! Hahahahaha :)