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LOL. Tesla believes heavily in PR, Musk just doesn't believe in PR departments. That's why if you're involved in a Tesla accident, even a fatal one, Tesla will

LOL. Tesla believes heavily in PR, Musk just doesn't believe in PR departments. That's why if you're involved in a Tesla accident, even a fatal one, Tesla will have no hesitation holding a press conference, pulling vehicle telemetry, to make sure that (rightly or wrongly) blame goes to you as the driver and not Tesla. They'll make statements like "Autopilot wasn't to blame here. The vehicle had warned the driver of his inattentiveness", and the Tesla fans will nod their heads, reassured. What will later come out will be that Autopilot was active, and that while a driver attention (steering wheel) warning had occurred on the fateful trip, it had happened ONCE, and that that one time was EIGHTEEN MINUTES prior to the collision. But there won't be a press conference to correct those details.

tnmom 3y ago
I feel compelled to point out that usually, the story develops the other direction - from: "Autopilot crashes car, kills family!" to (with much less fanfare): "Actually, it was a drunk dude driving manually and wrapped his car around a tree at 120mph in his own driveway"
- callalex 3y ago
  Got an example of that?
  - jdminhbg 3y ago
    Yes: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/21/22738834/tesla-crash-texas-driver-seat-occupied-ntsb https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/21/22738834/tesla-crash-tex...
- avgDev 3y ago
  I have never seen such a story from a respected source. Please provide some examples.
  - jjulius 3y ago
    Two minutes before you responded: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39933211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39933211
    - avgDev 3y ago
      Is the verge a reliable news source now? Oof.
      - jdminhbg 3y ago
        Here's the NTSB report: https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Pages/HWY21FH007.aspx https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Pages/HWY21FH007.aspx
      - jjulius 3y ago
        [sigh] You know, it's hard to know what sources other people consider to be "reputable" these days, so perhaps you could put on your big boy britches and google the subject to find a source you like rather than expecting us to know what you trust and don't trust? I mean, shit, if you bothered to look at the Verge article you'd have seen the link to the NTSB report. Here ya go... https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/09/ntsb-finds-no-evidence-tesla-autopilot-used-in-fatal-2021-texas-crash.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/09/ntsb-finds-no-evidence-tesla... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-crash-spring-texas-deaths-mystery-solved-ntsb/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-crash-spring-texas-deaths... https://fortune.com/2024/03/17/ntsb-fatal-crash-automated-driving-system-ford-electric-vehicle-not-tesla/ https://fortune.com/2024/03/17/ntsb-fatal-crash-automated-dr... https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/02/autopilot-had-no-involvment-in-fatal-texas-tesla-crash-ntsb-says/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/02/autopilot-had-no-involv... https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-probe-finds-no-evidence-tesla-autopilot-use-2021-texas-crash-2023-02-08/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-pro... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/driver-was-behind-wheel-time-texas-tesla-crash-ntsb-says-n1282056 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/driver-was-behind-wheel... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/21/automobiles/tesla-texas-crash-autopilot.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/21/automobiles/tesla-texas-c... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/driver-was-behind-wheel-at-time-of-tesla-crash-in-texas-ntsb-says https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/driver-was-behind-wheel-... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/autopilot-engaged-texas-tesla-crash-ntsb-report/story?id=77605592 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/autopilot-engaged-texas-tesl... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36387950/ntsb-investigation-tesla-model-s-autopilot/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36387950/ntsb-investigati... https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2021/05/10/ntsb-preliminary-report-on-texas-tesla-crash-adds-these-tidbits/?sh=29cad2435800 https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2021/05/10/ntsb-p... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39933859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39933859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34731013 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34731013 Would you like some more?

tnmom 3y ago

I feel compelled to point out that usually, the story develops the other direction - from: "Autopilot crashes car, kills family!" to (with much less fanfare): "Actually, it was a drunk dude driving manually and wrapped his car around a tree at 120mph in his own driveway"

callalex 3y ago
Got an example of that?
- jdminhbg 3y ago
  Yes: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/21/22738834/tesla-crash-texas-driver-seat-occupied-ntsb https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/21/22738834/tesla-crash-tex...
avgDev 3y ago
I have never seen such a story from a respected source. Please provide some examples.
- jjulius 3y ago
  Two minutes before you responded: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39933211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39933211
  - avgDev 3y ago
    Is the verge a reliable news source now? Oof.
    - jdminhbg 3y ago
      Here's the NTSB report: https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Pages/HWY21FH007.aspx https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Pages/HWY21FH007.aspx
    - jjulius 3y ago
      [sigh] You know, it's hard to know what sources other people consider to be "reputable" these days, so perhaps you could put on your big boy britches and google the subject to find a source you like rather than expecting us to know what you trust and don't trust? I mean, shit, if you bothered to look at the Verge article you'd have seen the link to the NTSB report. Here ya go... https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/09/ntsb-finds-no-evidence-tesla-autopilot-used-in-fatal-2021-texas-crash.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/09/ntsb-finds-no-evidence-tesla... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-crash-spring-texas-deaths-mystery-solved-ntsb/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-crash-spring-texas-deaths... https://fortune.com/2024/03/17/ntsb-fatal-crash-automated-driving-system-ford-electric-vehicle-not-tesla/ https://fortune.com/2024/03/17/ntsb-fatal-crash-automated-dr... https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/02/autopilot-had-no-involvment-in-fatal-texas-tesla-crash-ntsb-says/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/02/autopilot-had-no-involv... https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-probe-finds-no-evidence-tesla-autopilot-use-2021-texas-crash-2023-02-08/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-pro... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/driver-was-behind-wheel-time-texas-tesla-crash-ntsb-says-n1282056 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/driver-was-behind-wheel... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/21/automobiles/tesla-texas-crash-autopilot.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/21/automobiles/tesla-texas-c... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/driver-was-behind-wheel-at-time-of-tesla-crash-in-texas-ntsb-says https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/driver-was-behind-wheel-... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/autopilot-engaged-texas-tesla-crash-ntsb-report/story?id=77605592 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/autopilot-engaged-texas-tesl... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36387950/ntsb-investigation-tesla-model-s-autopilot/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36387950/ntsb-investigati... https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2021/05/10/ntsb-preliminary-report-on-texas-tesla-crash-adds-these-tidbits/?sh=29cad2435800 https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2021/05/10/ntsb-p... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39933859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39933859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34731013 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34731013 Would you like some more?