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Why not? Have you seen the top 10? It couldn’t be any worse than what it is now. People who reach the top 10 are rarely there for the “art”. A lot of them don’t

by ein0p 3y ago

Why not? Have you seen the top 10? It couldn’t be any worse than what it is now. People who reach the top 10 are rarely there for the “art”. A lot of them don’t even write their own songs or music.

MarcelOlsz 3y ago
Honestly I don't even know what the "top 10" is or how its measured and have never met anyone in my life who listened to top 10 stuff. It's always HR office radio, mechanic radio, the bar, club, etc. Even the most normal people find stuff they like on youtube and listen to that. Even if the AI music is extremely good, it's just missing the fact that it was made by a person, which changes the experience entirely. I think we're more likely to see musicians and those top10 artists leverage AI without explicitly saying so. I expect we will have a daft punk moment where someone is using exclusively AI and later unmasks that it was all AI, and as soon as that happens the music is disconnected. Same with AI art. I can see something and be duped and go "oh wow!!!" and as soon as I know it's AI the caring leaves my body completely and reverence and interest is lost.
- aradox66 3y ago
  I love this sentiment about "top 10" radio. If only it was so. That's the stuff that's on everywhere, all the time. Grocery stores, cafes, etc etc. hell, I listen to it on YouTube. It's like junk food. It's bad, it's good. It's better than AI, even this incredible mindblowing suno thing. Production value counts.
  - ein0p 3y ago
    Will it be better than AI six months from now, that’s the question. My money is on “no”.
    - MarcelOlsz 3y ago
      At least the classical world is safe. They want no part in AI.
      - throwup238 3y ago
        I think it's a lot better at classical, orchestral, and instrumental music than it is at anything requiring vocalization. I created this in less than 20 minutes: https://app.suno.ai/song/eb93c25b-bdbe-4c9f-8e03-66e9479c869b/ https://app.suno.ai/song/eb93c25b-bdbe-4c9f-8e03-66e9479c869... I need to stem it, fix it up a bit, and remix for stereo in a DAW but it's much better than I expected for my first ever piece of music. Obviously it'd take a lot of work to create a Hans Zimmer level OST from the tool but IMO it wouldn't feel out of place on a Ludovico Einaudi album or on some Spotify or Pandora classical radio.
        programd 3y ago
        That's actually a very good piece. Like something I'd hear on late night Paradise Radio. If I was creating an indie movie on no budget I'd be all over this technology for the soundtrack. I don't think musicians and composers are going to disappear as a consequence of this technology, in the same way that theatre actors were not made obsolete by film. What I do think is that a whole new category of professionals will be created - musicians and composers who get paid to train AI models. I bet it will pay better then the laughable amounts that are streaming royalties.
      - recursive 3y ago
        At some point in the future, wanting no part in AI-generated content is going to be like that old Onion headline. "Area Man Constantly Mentioning That He Doesn't Even Own A Television".
  - janalsncm 3y ago
    Quality isn’t the only factor though. Music made by people has copyright which means grocery stores and coffee shops have to pay a license fee. There’s certainly a point where this synthetic music gets good enough to replace the elevator music Muzak crap that they have to pay $2000 to license.
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recursive 3y ago
Someone is writing it. There are a lot more than 10 people that want to be in the top 10. It's hard to get into the top 10. You might not appreciate it as art, but the songs that are there are good at something. You could call it being catchy. AI is not even close on this metric.
- newswasboring 3y ago
  Its not even close now. And these things have been out maybe a few months? Of course even the potential of the current tools aren't fully explored.
  - recursive 3y ago
    I think it will get there, wherever "there" is. I think it's very impressive now, as a technical marvel. But it's really not competing with the best humans yet. I don't say this to dismiss it. I say this as an appreciator of music who is neutral on AI. Probably one day I'll listen to mostly AI generated music. But it won't be this month.
xetsilon 3y ago
All music at this point is largely ambient music and Muzak. The future is obviously a form of custom AI Muzak/Ambient music with a few pop stars for people to focus on. I am a big fan of more art type music and guess what? No one listens to it. My fav album of 2023 has 6.4k views on youtube. At least a 100 of those are mine. No one listens to this stuff. People watch video critic reviews of more art type music than the actual music itself.
- tiptup300 3y ago
  Hey curious you're opinion on a track like this. https://app.suno.ai/song/2a5a9327-5b27-4353-b62b-8eb3e314fff1 https://app.suno.ai/song/2a5a9327-5b27-4353-b62b-8eb3e314fff... I normally do noisey acoustic stream on consious stuff but I've been too busy for the past two years to get anything out. This was the first track in a while I've been happy with the lyrics are very real to me and it took a couple hours to learn the workflow and I still haven't went back and fixed edited the ending as well as adding overdubs throughout as well as a real guitar solo. I can post my youtube for more context but I didn't feel right posting it without someone requesting. I'm just very interested in new ways to get my art out. And this is more of a transformer of my poetry into real listenable music. I'm very excited.
- ein0p 3y ago
  Lol, same. A lot of the stuff I listen to is completely unknown to a “normal” person. And guess what? AI is not replacing those folks for their audiences in the foreseeable future, because they don’t just regurgitate the same chord progression as everyone else

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MarcelOlsz 3y ago

Honestly I don't even know what the "top 10" is or how its measured and have never met anyone in my life who listened to top 10 stuff. It's always HR office radio, mechanic radio, the bar, club, etc. Even the most normal people find stuff they like on youtube and listen to that. Even if the AI music is extremely good, it's just missing the fact that it was made by a person, which changes the experience entirely. I think we're more likely to see musicians and those top10 artists leverage AI without explicitly saying so. I expect we will have a daft punk moment where someone is using exclusively AI and later unmasks that it was all AI, and as soon as that happens the music is disconnected. Same with AI art. I can see something and be duped and go "oh wow!!!" and as soon as I know it's AI the caring leaves my body completely and reverence and interest is lost.

aradox66 3y ago
I love this sentiment about "top 10" radio. If only it was so. That's the stuff that's on everywhere, all the time. Grocery stores, cafes, etc etc. hell, I listen to it on YouTube. It's like junk food. It's bad, it's good. It's better than AI, even this incredible mindblowing suno thing. Production value counts.
- ein0p 3y ago
  Will it be better than AI six months from now, that’s the question. My money is on “no”.
  - MarcelOlsz 3y ago
    At least the classical world is safe. They want no part in AI.
    - throwup238 3y ago
      I think it's a lot better at classical, orchestral, and instrumental music than it is at anything requiring vocalization. I created this in less than 20 minutes: https://app.suno.ai/song/eb93c25b-bdbe-4c9f-8e03-66e9479c869b/ https://app.suno.ai/song/eb93c25b-bdbe-4c9f-8e03-66e9479c869... I need to stem it, fix it up a bit, and remix for stereo in a DAW but it's much better than I expected for my first ever piece of music. Obviously it'd take a lot of work to create a Hans Zimmer level OST from the tool but IMO it wouldn't feel out of place on a Ludovico Einaudi album or on some Spotify or Pandora classical radio.
      - programd 3y ago
        That's actually a very good piece. Like something I'd hear on late night Paradise Radio. If I was creating an indie movie on no budget I'd be all over this technology for the soundtrack. I don't think musicians and composers are going to disappear as a consequence of this technology, in the same way that theatre actors were not made obsolete by film. What I do think is that a whole new category of professionals will be created - musicians and composers who get paid to train AI models. I bet it will pay better then the laughable amounts that are streaming royalties.
    - recursive 3y ago
      At some point in the future, wanting no part in AI-generated content is going to be like that old Onion headline. "Area Man Constantly Mentioning That He Doesn't Even Own A Television".
- janalsncm 3y ago
  Quality isn’t the only factor though. Music made by people has copyright which means grocery stores and coffee shops have to pay a license fee. There’s certainly a point where this synthetic music gets good enough to replace the elevator music Muzak crap that they have to pay $2000 to license.
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recursive 3y ago

Someone is writing it. There are a lot more than 10 people that want to be in the top 10. It's hard to get into the top 10. You might not appreciate it as art, but the songs that are there are good at something. You could call it being catchy. AI is not even close on this metric.

newswasboring 3y ago
Its not even close now. And these things have been out maybe a few months? Of course even the potential of the current tools aren't fully explored.
- recursive 3y ago
  I think it will get there, wherever "there" is. I think it's very impressive now, as a technical marvel. But it's really not competing with the best humans yet. I don't say this to dismiss it. I say this as an appreciator of music who is neutral on AI. Probably one day I'll listen to mostly AI generated music. But it won't be this month.

xetsilon 3y ago

All music at this point is largely ambient music and Muzak. The future is obviously a form of custom AI Muzak/Ambient music with a few pop stars for people to focus on. I am a big fan of more art type music and guess what? No one listens to it. My fav album of 2023 has 6.4k views on youtube. At least a 100 of those are mine. No one listens to this stuff. People watch video critic reviews of more art type music than the actual music itself.

tiptup300 3y ago
Hey curious you're opinion on a track like this. https://app.suno.ai/song/2a5a9327-5b27-4353-b62b-8eb3e314fff1 https://app.suno.ai/song/2a5a9327-5b27-4353-b62b-8eb3e314fff... I normally do noisey acoustic stream on consious stuff but I've been too busy for the past two years to get anything out. This was the first track in a while I've been happy with the lyrics are very real to me and it took a couple hours to learn the workflow and I still haven't went back and fixed edited the ending as well as adding overdubs throughout as well as a real guitar solo. I can post my youtube for more context but I didn't feel right posting it without someone requesting. I'm just very interested in new ways to get my art out. And this is more of a transformer of my poetry into real listenable music. I'm very excited.
ein0p 3y ago
Lol, same. A lot of the stuff I listen to is completely unknown to a “normal” person. And guess what? AI is not replacing those folks for their audiences in the foreseeable future, because they don’t just regurgitate the same chord progression as everyone else