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I was thinking it would impact places like bars and streams and tv the most rather than actual consumers, or wherever licensing is concerned. I don't believe pe

I was thinking it would impact places like bars and streams and tv the most rather than actual consumers, or wherever licensing is concerned. I don't believe people would listen to AI generated music for the same reason AI isn't impacting fine art. People aren't going to hang AI paintings in their houses or listen to AI music.

IanCal 3y ago
> I don't believe people would listen to AI generated music Counter-point, we've been listening to a rock song about the moon given the words from one of my kids books all morning. People will 100% listen to (edit - I never finished the sentence) things that sound fun. It might not bring me to tears or stop me in my tracks but lots of things are just fun. > People aren't going to hang AI paintings in their houses People will absolutely do this. If AI systems can make nice pictures people will hang them in their houses. And they can make nice pictures.
flemhans 3y ago
People are buying art in IKEA, of course they'll hang an AI painting as well.
ein0p 3y ago
Why not? Have you seen the top 10? It couldn’t be any worse than what it is now. People who reach the top 10 are rarely there for the “art”. A lot of them don’t even write their own songs or music.
- MarcelOlsz 3y ago
  Honestly I don't even know what the "top 10" is or how its measured and have never met anyone in my life who listened to top 10 stuff. It's always HR office radio, mechanic radio, the bar, club, etc. Even the most normal people find stuff they like on youtube and listen to that. Even if the AI music is extremely good, it's just missing the fact that it was made by a person, which changes the experience entirely. I think we're more likely to see musicians and those top10 artists leverage AI without explicitly saying so. I expect we will have a daft punk moment where someone is using exclusively AI and later unmasks that it was all AI, and as soon as that happens the music is disconnected. Same with AI art. I can see something and be duped and go "oh wow!!!" and as soon as I know it's AI the caring leaves my body completely and reverence and interest is lost.
  - aradox66 3y ago
    I love this sentiment about "top 10" radio. If only it was so. That's the stuff that's on everywhere, all the time. Grocery stores, cafes, etc etc. hell, I listen to it on YouTube. It's like junk food. It's bad, it's good. It's better than AI, even this incredible mindblowing suno thing. Production value counts.
    - ein0p 3y ago
      Will it be better than AI six months from now, that’s the question. My money is on “no”.
      - MarcelOlsz 3y ago
        At least the classical world is safe. They want no part in AI.
        throwup238 3y ago
        I think it's a lot better at classical, orchestral, and instrumental music than it is at anything requiring vocalization. I created this in less than 20 minutes: https://app.suno.ai/song/eb93c25b-bdbe-4c9f-8e03-66e9479c869b/ https://app.suno.ai/song/eb93c25b-bdbe-4c9f-8e03-66e9479c869... I need to stem it, fix it up a bit, and remix for stereo in a DAW but it's much better than I expected for my first ever piece of music. Obviously it'd take a lot of work to create a Hans Zimmer level OST from the tool but IMO it wouldn't feel out of place on a Ludovico Einaudi album or on some Spotify or Pandora classical radio.
        programd 3y ago
        That's actually a very good piece. Like something I'd hear on late night Paradise Radio. If I was creating an indie movie on no budget I'd be all over this technology for the soundtrack. I don't think musicians and composers are going to disappear as a consequence of this technology, in the same way that theatre actors were not made obsolete by film. What I do think is that a whole new category of professionals will be created - musicians and composers who get paid to train AI models. I bet it will pay better then the laughable amounts that are streaming royalties.
- recursive 3y ago
  Someone is writing it. There are a lot more than 10 people that want to be in the top 10. It's hard to get into the top 10. You might not appreciate it as art, but the songs that are there are good at something. You could call it being catchy. AI is not even close on this metric.
  - newswasboring 3y ago
    Its not even close now. And these things have been out maybe a few months? Of course even the potential of the current tools aren't fully explored.
    - recursive 3y ago
      I think it will get there, wherever "there" is. I think it's very impressive now, as a technical marvel. But it's really not competing with the best humans yet. I don't say this to dismiss it. I say this as an appreciator of music who is neutral on AI. Probably one day I'll listen to mostly AI generated music. But it won't be this month.
- xetsilon 3y ago
  All music at this point is largely ambient music and Muzak. The future is obviously a form of custom AI Muzak/Ambient music with a few pop stars for people to focus on. I am a big fan of more art type music and guess what? No one listens to it. My fav album of 2023 has 6.4k views on youtube. At least a 100 of those are mine. No one listens to this stuff. People watch video critic reviews of more art type music than the actual music itself.
  - tiptup300 3y ago
    Hey curious you're opinion on a track like this. https://app.suno.ai/song/2a5a9327-5b27-4353-b62b-8eb3e314fff1 https://app.suno.ai/song/2a5a9327-5b27-4353-b62b-8eb3e314fff... I normally do noisey acoustic stream on consious stuff but I've been too busy for the past two years to get anything out. This was the first track in a while I've been happy with the lyrics are very real to me and it took a couple hours to learn the workflow and I still haven't went back and fixed edited the ending as well as adding overdubs throughout as well as a real guitar solo. I can post my youtube for more context but I didn't feel right posting it without someone requesting. I'm just very interested in new ways to get my art out. And this is more of a transformer of my poetry into real listenable music. I'm very excited.
  - ein0p 3y ago
    Lol, same. A lot of the stuff I listen to is completely unknown to a “normal” person. And guess what? AI is not replacing those folks for their audiences in the foreseeable future, because they don’t just regurgitate the same chord progression as everyone else
CamperBob2 3y ago
I don't believe people would listen to AI generated music for the same reason AI isn't impacting fine art. Pretty soon we'll be reviving the old Palmolive "You're soaking in it" commercial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bEkq7JCbik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bEkq7JCbik). We'll all be soaking in it, and no, you won't be able to tell the difference.
j-bos 3y ago
I see this take often, but I don't buy it. Mixtapes and playlists are quintessential gifts of affection based on art that the giver did not make and by artists the receiver often does not know. Just the same lots of people hang costco paintings on their walls by anonymous sweatshop workers and kids love cool posters about whatever interests them with no regard to who made them. I believe consumers are likely to enjoy lots of this generated art.
newswasboring 3y ago
> People aren't going to hang AI paintings in their houses or listen to AI music. A lot of people are very confident about this and I dont understand why. The same was said for jazz and comic books. But I am listening to jazz with comic book posters on my wall. There were different reasons to give the same statement, but it almost always turns out to be wrong. Humans like what they like and seldom judge an artwork for its process (outside of a very small niche community).
- avidiax 3y ago
  People hang commercial art in their homes all the time, and that's essentially design-by-committee. I see no reason that someone wouldn't hang an AI poster print in their AirBnB that's abstract, or even a "commission" based on the property and its locale. Same reason for AI music. Your store needs a bit of music to set a vibe, but with AI it can be free of copyright and performance licensing, and again, be tailored to your location, products, clientele, the day of the week, etc.
- MarcelOlsz 3y ago
  This is something different entirely. We're outside of the "human sphere" so to speak. >Humans like what they like and seldom judge an artwork for its process (outside of a very small niche community). That's true, but how do you zoom out of process? This is beyond process. I would just say most people don't like inhuman things.
  - newswasboring 3y ago
    > We're outside of the "human sphere" so to speak. Can you elaborate on this a bit? Because this is what I don't get.
    - MarcelOlsz 3y ago
      It's a non-human algorithmic mish mash of a bunch of stuff, there is no human quality to it or years of effort to reach new heights. AI will not make "new" music in the sense that it will make a trumpet song that escapes our current understanding of a trumpets limit like how a once in a generation player will come along and move the ceiling up. It's an omellete. There is no Dolly Parton behind an AI Jolene or a Michael Jackson turning a 4 track tape into a musical masterpiece. The journey and personalities are what contextualize the sound, without AI that context is gone. That's why I think it will just be used for cafes and things like that where they want to escape licensing fees. As for consumers - I believe people will see AI music consumption as a way of supporting the new technological powers that be, and the act of listening to human-made music will have an element of counter-culture baked into it. I'm a professional musician and I have a very physical reaction to sound. Once I know it's AI my goosebumps fade. Another lame incarnation of a tech that will also fade like crypto and everything else. The types of personalities who will leverage this tech are not the same personalities that make the greats. I'm not worried.

IanCal 3y ago

> I don't believe people would listen to AI generated music Counter-point, we've been listening to a rock song about the moon given the words from one of my kids books all morning. People will 100% listen to (edit - I never finished the sentence) things that sound fun. It might not bring me to tears or stop me in my tracks but lots of things are just fun. > People aren't going to hang AI paintings in their houses People will absolutely do this. If AI systems can make nice pictures people will hang them in their houses. And they can make nice pictures.

flemhans 3y ago

People are buying art in IKEA, of course they'll hang an AI painting as well.

ein0p 3y ago

Why not? Have you seen the top 10? It couldn’t be any worse than what it is now. People who reach the top 10 are rarely there for the “art”. A lot of them don’t even write their own songs or music.

MarcelOlsz 3y ago
Honestly I don't even know what the "top 10" is or how its measured and have never met anyone in my life who listened to top 10 stuff. It's always HR office radio, mechanic radio, the bar, club, etc. Even the most normal people find stuff they like on youtube and listen to that. Even if the AI music is extremely good, it's just missing the fact that it was made by a person, which changes the experience entirely. I think we're more likely to see musicians and those top10 artists leverage AI without explicitly saying so. I expect we will have a daft punk moment where someone is using exclusively AI and later unmasks that it was all AI, and as soon as that happens the music is disconnected. Same with AI art. I can see something and be duped and go "oh wow!!!" and as soon as I know it's AI the caring leaves my body completely and reverence and interest is lost.
- aradox66 3y ago
  I love this sentiment about "top 10" radio. If only it was so. That's the stuff that's on everywhere, all the time. Grocery stores, cafes, etc etc. hell, I listen to it on YouTube. It's like junk food. It's bad, it's good. It's better than AI, even this incredible mindblowing suno thing. Production value counts.
  - ein0p 3y ago
    Will it be better than AI six months from now, that’s the question. My money is on “no”.
    - MarcelOlsz 3y ago
      At least the classical world is safe. They want no part in AI.
      - throwup238 3y ago
        I think it's a lot better at classical, orchestral, and instrumental music than it is at anything requiring vocalization. I created this in less than 20 minutes: https://app.suno.ai/song/eb93c25b-bdbe-4c9f-8e03-66e9479c869b/ https://app.suno.ai/song/eb93c25b-bdbe-4c9f-8e03-66e9479c869... I need to stem it, fix it up a bit, and remix for stereo in a DAW but it's much better than I expected for my first ever piece of music. Obviously it'd take a lot of work to create a Hans Zimmer level OST from the tool but IMO it wouldn't feel out of place on a Ludovico Einaudi album or on some Spotify or Pandora classical radio.
        programd 3y ago
        That's actually a very good piece. Like something I'd hear on late night Paradise Radio. If I was creating an indie movie on no budget I'd be all over this technology for the soundtrack. I don't think musicians and composers are going to disappear as a consequence of this technology, in the same way that theatre actors were not made obsolete by film. What I do think is that a whole new category of professionals will be created - musicians and composers who get paid to train AI models. I bet it will pay better then the laughable amounts that are streaming royalties.
recursive 3y ago
Someone is writing it. There are a lot more than 10 people that want to be in the top 10. It's hard to get into the top 10. You might not appreciate it as art, but the songs that are there are good at something. You could call it being catchy. AI is not even close on this metric.
- newswasboring 3y ago
  Its not even close now. And these things have been out maybe a few months? Of course even the potential of the current tools aren't fully explored.
  - recursive 3y ago
    I think it will get there, wherever "there" is. I think it's very impressive now, as a technical marvel. But it's really not competing with the best humans yet. I don't say this to dismiss it. I say this as an appreciator of music who is neutral on AI. Probably one day I'll listen to mostly AI generated music. But it won't be this month.
xetsilon 3y ago
All music at this point is largely ambient music and Muzak. The future is obviously a form of custom AI Muzak/Ambient music with a few pop stars for people to focus on. I am a big fan of more art type music and guess what? No one listens to it. My fav album of 2023 has 6.4k views on youtube. At least a 100 of those are mine. No one listens to this stuff. People watch video critic reviews of more art type music than the actual music itself.
- tiptup300 3y ago
  Hey curious you're opinion on a track like this. https://app.suno.ai/song/2a5a9327-5b27-4353-b62b-8eb3e314fff1 https://app.suno.ai/song/2a5a9327-5b27-4353-b62b-8eb3e314fff... I normally do noisey acoustic stream on consious stuff but I've been too busy for the past two years to get anything out. This was the first track in a while I've been happy with the lyrics are very real to me and it took a couple hours to learn the workflow and I still haven't went back and fixed edited the ending as well as adding overdubs throughout as well as a real guitar solo. I can post my youtube for more context but I didn't feel right posting it without someone requesting. I'm just very interested in new ways to get my art out. And this is more of a transformer of my poetry into real listenable music. I'm very excited.
- ein0p 3y ago
  Lol, same. A lot of the stuff I listen to is completely unknown to a “normal” person. And guess what? AI is not replacing those folks for their audiences in the foreseeable future, because they don’t just regurgitate the same chord progression as everyone else

CamperBob2 3y ago

I don't believe people would listen to AI generated music for the same reason AI isn't impacting fine art. Pretty soon we'll be reviving the old Palmolive "You're soaking in it" commercial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bEkq7JCbik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bEkq7JCbik). We'll all be soaking in it, and no, you won't be able to tell the difference.

j-bos 3y ago

I see this take often, but I don't buy it. Mixtapes and playlists are quintessential gifts of affection based on art that the giver did not make and by artists the receiver often does not know. Just the same lots of people hang costco paintings on their walls by anonymous sweatshop workers and kids love cool posters about whatever interests them with no regard to who made them. I believe consumers are likely to enjoy lots of this generated art.

newswasboring 3y ago

> People aren't going to hang AI paintings in their houses or listen to AI music. A lot of people are very confident about this and I dont understand why. The same was said for jazz and comic books. But I am listening to jazz with comic book posters on my wall. There were different reasons to give the same statement, but it almost always turns out to be wrong. Humans like what they like and seldom judge an artwork for its process (outside of a very small niche community).

avidiax 3y ago
People hang commercial art in their homes all the time, and that's essentially design-by-committee. I see no reason that someone wouldn't hang an AI poster print in their AirBnB that's abstract, or even a "commission" based on the property and its locale. Same reason for AI music. Your store needs a bit of music to set a vibe, but with AI it can be free of copyright and performance licensing, and again, be tailored to your location, products, clientele, the day of the week, etc.
MarcelOlsz 3y ago
This is something different entirely. We're outside of the "human sphere" so to speak. >Humans like what they like and seldom judge an artwork for its process (outside of a very small niche community). That's true, but how do you zoom out of process? This is beyond process. I would just say most people don't like inhuman things.
- newswasboring 3y ago
  > We're outside of the "human sphere" so to speak. Can you elaborate on this a bit? Because this is what I don't get.
  - MarcelOlsz 3y ago
    It's a non-human algorithmic mish mash of a bunch of stuff, there is no human quality to it or years of effort to reach new heights. AI will not make "new" music in the sense that it will make a trumpet song that escapes our current understanding of a trumpets limit like how a once in a generation player will come along and move the ceiling up. It's an omellete. There is no Dolly Parton behind an AI Jolene or a Michael Jackson turning a 4 track tape into a musical masterpiece. The journey and personalities are what contextualize the sound, without AI that context is gone. That's why I think it will just be used for cafes and things like that where they want to escape licensing fees. As for consumers - I believe people will see AI music consumption as a way of supporting the new technological powers that be, and the act of listening to human-made music will have an element of counter-culture baked into it. I'm a professional musician and I have a very physical reaction to sound. Once I know it's AI my goosebumps fade. Another lame incarnation of a tech that will also fade like crypto and everything else. The types of personalities who will leverage this tech are not the same personalities that make the greats. I'm not worried.