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> Meanwhile, Kia, Hyundai, VW are producing EVs that just kinda look and drive like normal cars and the bulk of market prefer that. Kia.com -> View Inventory -

> Meanwhile, Kia, Hyundai, VW are producing EVs that just kinda look and drive like normal cars and the bulk of market prefer that. Kia.com -> View Inventory -> within 50 miles: EV9 = (263) 246 Available, 17 Arriving Soon EV6 = (153) 151 Available, 2 Arriving Soon Niro EV = (39) 38 Available, 1 Arriving Soon They all have $XXXX discounts on them. I'm not sure the market is falling all over itself to buy them.

Spooky23 3y ago
How’s the Tesla shipments going? The industry saturated the market, which will lower the prices. People will buy them cheap. Market at work.
- tootie 3y ago
  We're not at saturation exactly, sales are growing but growth has slowed and competition is much stronger. It's entirely possible Tesla has peaked and won't recover but that's speculation. I'm still confident EVs will be all or nearly all cars on the road in the near future but it's going to be more like 20-25 years than 10.
  - Spooky23 3y ago
    Personally, i think they’ll be 30-40% of cars. I think we’re entering a trough where the artificial incentives start to lose their effect and we really figure out what the market needs and navigate the FUD as we “digest” some of the lousy early cars. We’re still early in the market and tech breakthroughs make it unpredictable — Tesla’s survival is probably tied to delivering those.
    - tootie 3y ago
      The deciding factor is going to end being politics. Democrats will continue pushing mandates and Republicans will try to block or undo them.
bobthepanda 3y ago
I think Kia and Hyundai are dealing with reputation damage after their cars were so easy to steal for a couple years. https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/business/hyundai-kia-thefts-increased-10-fold/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/business/hyundai-kia-thefts-i...
- nblgbg 3y ago
  Its not completely true. Check their popular gas models like telluride etc, you still have to pay above MSRP or some crap accessories to get the cars. They are selling gas cars extremely well.
p_j_w 3y ago
GP was talking about market share and you're talking about inventory. You may be right that GP is wrong, but the data you're sharing doesn't say one way or the other.

Spooky23 3y ago

How’s the Tesla shipments going? The industry saturated the market, which will lower the prices. People will buy them cheap. Market at work.

tootie 3y ago
We're not at saturation exactly, sales are growing but growth has slowed and competition is much stronger. It's entirely possible Tesla has peaked and won't recover but that's speculation. I'm still confident EVs will be all or nearly all cars on the road in the near future but it's going to be more like 20-25 years than 10.
- Spooky23 3y ago
  Personally, i think they’ll be 30-40% of cars. I think we’re entering a trough where the artificial incentives start to lose their effect and we really figure out what the market needs and navigate the FUD as we “digest” some of the lousy early cars. We’re still early in the market and tech breakthroughs make it unpredictable — Tesla’s survival is probably tied to delivering those.
  - tootie 3y ago
    The deciding factor is going to end being politics. Democrats will continue pushing mandates and Republicans will try to block or undo them.

bobthepanda 3y ago

I think Kia and Hyundai are dealing with reputation damage after their cars were so easy to steal for a couple years. https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/business/hyundai-kia-thefts-increased-10-fold/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/business/hyundai-kia-thefts-i...

nblgbg 3y ago
Its not completely true. Check their popular gas models like telluride etc, you still have to pay above MSRP or some crap accessories to get the cars. They are selling gas cars extremely well.

p_j_w 3y ago

GP was talking about market share and you're talking about inventory. You may be right that GP is wrong, but the data you're sharing doesn't say one way or the other.