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I barely know what I’m doing with wine but am 100% sure I could at least tell you which are whites and which reds if you lined up a typical Chardonnay, a typica

I barely know what I’m doing with wine but am 100% sure I could at least tell you which are whites and which reds if you lined up a typical Chardonnay, a typical Pinot Grigio, a typical cab sauv, and a typical Pinot noir. I am certain there exist weird wines that could fool me (I’ve had a few really weird wines) but typical shit from the grocery store, I’m gonna be able to tell at least that much. I might even ID them more precisely than red or white. It’s not exactly subtle… Then again I don’t have a clue how someone could fail to tell which is coke and which Pepsi in the “Pepsi challenge”. They’re wildly different flavors. I can tell by smell alone.

n4r9 3y ago
I vaguely remember looking into this before, and it turned out that the tasters were being told (incorrectly) that it was a red wine, and asked to describe the flavour profile. They then used tasting terms more frequently associated with reds than with whites, and didn't question what they were told. So it's less a case of "they cannot distinguish red from white" and more a case of "they went along with a suggested classification". I feel like this is a weaker result, although it's still a little surprising.
- arketyp 3y ago
  Thanks. Together with GP's point about the possibility of weird wines, it seems reasonable that one could go along quite far on a false premise.
- notnaut 3y ago
  My feeling is there is the high level classification which is quite difficult to fuck up. After that it’s all adjectives and analogues, which is the fluffed up phoniness that inherently presents itself in the process of converting our subjective experiences of physical reality into abstract symbols.
- yongjik 3y ago
  Yeah, but that still shows people's perception of wine is barely above noise level, if it can be so easily misled. For comparison, imagine someone showing a piece of Picasso to art critics and saying "Could you please describe the artistic significance of this painting by da Vinci?" The critics won't start using terms commonly reserved for Renaissance era; they'll say "What the fuck are you talking about, this isn't da Vinci."
  - wizzwizz4 3y ago
    Both artists are dead. It is possible to learn all of their paintings. It is not possible to learn all of the wines.
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- gpm 3y ago
  That sounds a lot weaker. Quick, label all the US states: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/label_the_states.png https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/label_the_states.png I've given this map to half a dozen smart/well educated Canadians, who happily engaged in pointing out the states they recognized for several minutes, and not one of them noticed until it was pointed out.
  - markisus 3y ago
    For anyone else who is geographically challenged, the map apparently has 64 states instead of 50. Here is an article with the extra states highlighted. https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2868:_Label_the_States https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2868:_Label_the_S...
  - n4r9 3y ago
    I'm from the UK and would probably have fallen for this for several minutes as well. I hope that I'd eventually realise from the number of states down the West coast.
  - ska 3y ago
    I suspect it would work nearly as well on many Americans.
  - vundercind 3y ago
    What’s the joke? Looks normal. I see Thirdmont. Indiantwo. Yep, ordinary map.
  - lupire 3y ago
    So? That's focusing on what they know and not having time to notice the extra. Different from making incorrect statements
nrclark 3y ago
A lot of the biggest perceived differences come from temperature, since red wines are usually served at room-temperature. If you ever decide to do a blind test, make sure to control for temperature. I did it, and I had a very hard time picking out which varietals were red and which were white.

n4r9 3y ago

I vaguely remember looking into this before, and it turned out that the tasters were being told (incorrectly) that it was a red wine, and asked to describe the flavour profile. They then used tasting terms more frequently associated with reds than with whites, and didn't question what they were told. So it's less a case of "they cannot distinguish red from white" and more a case of "they went along with a suggested classification". I feel like this is a weaker result, although it's still a little surprising.

arketyp 3y ago
Thanks. Together with GP's point about the possibility of weird wines, it seems reasonable that one could go along quite far on a false premise.
notnaut 3y ago
My feeling is there is the high level classification which is quite difficult to fuck up. After that it’s all adjectives and analogues, which is the fluffed up phoniness that inherently presents itself in the process of converting our subjective experiences of physical reality into abstract symbols.
yongjik 3y ago
Yeah, but that still shows people's perception of wine is barely above noise level, if it can be so easily misled. For comparison, imagine someone showing a piece of Picasso to art critics and saying "Could you please describe the artistic significance of this painting by da Vinci?" The critics won't start using terms commonly reserved for Renaissance era; they'll say "What the fuck are you talking about, this isn't da Vinci."
- wizzwizz4 3y ago
  Both artists are dead. It is possible to learn all of their paintings. It is not possible to learn all of the wines.
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gpm 3y ago
That sounds a lot weaker. Quick, label all the US states: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/label_the_states.png https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/label_the_states.png I've given this map to half a dozen smart/well educated Canadians, who happily engaged in pointing out the states they recognized for several minutes, and not one of them noticed until it was pointed out.
- markisus 3y ago
  For anyone else who is geographically challenged, the map apparently has 64 states instead of 50. Here is an article with the extra states highlighted. https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2868:_Label_the_States https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2868:_Label_the_S...
- n4r9 3y ago
  I'm from the UK and would probably have fallen for this for several minutes as well. I hope that I'd eventually realise from the number of states down the West coast.
- ska 3y ago
  I suspect it would work nearly as well on many Americans.
- vundercind 3y ago
  What’s the joke? Looks normal. I see Thirdmont. Indiantwo. Yep, ordinary map.
- lupire 3y ago
  So? That's focusing on what they know and not having time to notice the extra. Different from making incorrect statements

nrclark 3y ago

A lot of the biggest perceived differences come from temperature, since red wines are usually served at room-temperature. If you ever decide to do a blind test, make sure to control for temperature. I did it, and I had a very hard time picking out which varietals were red and which were white.