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Cool Hopefully they will move 30,000 wonkdows PC's to linux once Microsoft imposes the £61 annual extended security updates fee. let me open my terminal and s
by reify 3y ago
Cool
Hopefully they will move 30,000 wonkdows PC's to linux once Microsoft imposes the £61 annual extended security updates fee.
let me open my terminal and start up python:
30000*61
1830000
£1,830,000 for the first year extended security updates and will double in consequitive years. A tad greedy! for a few old rotten wonkdows 10 machines.
They first collected our data for free, then had the audacity to charge us for it too.
Roll on linux
Dare I use the word Enshittification?
- Hamuko 3y agoWhat's the cost of training a bunch of public servants to use Linux?
- Stranger43 3y agoProbably lower then people think once the applications are identical across the two platform. and if Linux turns too complex there is always macos. The big push is going to be getting rid of old excel and word macro's and replace sharepoint/onedrive with something else as data migrations are newer as simple in reality as they look in theory.
- Hamuko 3y ago>and if Linux turns too complex there is always macos I have witnessed in person people switching from Windows to macOS have issues adapting to a different operating system and its concepts, like the fact that pressing the X button in the top-left corner doesn't close the application. Therefore I am rather skeptical that you can just throw some Linux distro at a bunch of novice computer users without large amounts of friction.
- doubled112 3y agoYour example feels like shots fired because the programs running without windows concept still confuses me. It just doesn't compute. I'm a sysadmin and have been using Macs on and off since System 7, Windows since 95, and probably 10000 Linux distros/DE combos. Just as a point of reference.
- quesera 3y ago> programs running without windows concept still confuses me > I'm a sysadmin and have been using ... probably 10000 Linux distros/DE combos Most of the things I run on Unix systems do not have windows. This doesn't confuse me at all! :) I know what you mean of course. A GUI application without windows is superficially confusing, but you can certainly imagine something daemon-like that runs all the time and only occasionally requires interaction in the form of configuration or control. What you're really talking about is document-based applications, which can continue running when no documents (windows) are open. This may be less intuitive if you think about things in a document-centric way, vs an application-centric way. There are advantages and conveniences to both.
- CRConrad 3y agoTry using Microsoft Office some time. Sure, Word and Excel go away when you close the last document or workbook -- but Outlook and Teams don't. For outlook, there's a separate menu (Uh, "ribbon"?) item "Quit" under "File"; for Teams, not even that; you have to right-click the icon in the task bar. Close all their windows, and AFAICR they'll still pop up notifications.
- skydhash 3y agoLinux Mint is practically identical to Windows 7/10 in terms of basic interaction. Most people learn only a few workflows and software and do not tinker with the OS. When my SO moved to MacOS, the only thing she asked about was how to launch apps and do things like copy-paste. Everything else is still how I configured it when the computer came. Just like you don’t tinker with container images, people will be fine with Linux GUI if everything they need is there.
- CRConrad 3y ago> Therefore I am rather skeptical that you can just throw some Linux distro at a bunch of novice computer users without large amounts of friction. Not your main point, but: If they really were novice computer users it would be a snap; the problem is that they aren't -- can't be, if they're already conditioned to Windows being "the standard". Then again, I think that this is often exaggerated, even for long-time Windows users. What's so hard about switching -- "Oh, but people are so used to all their handy Windows shortcuts!"? Bah -- they don't even know they exist!
- gtvwill 3y agoTrain once and never pay fees for the lifetime of the worker. Or still have to train on windows and pay fees ontop of standard user training for the lifetime of the user. Remember just because it's windows doesn't mean it doesn't require training. All business computer use takes training.
- zihotki 3y agoOr use classic approach - pay the lower price now and let the next goverment deal with the future problems.
- pakitan 3y agoThe cost to show one person "this is the browser icon and these are the excel/word icons; click them when you need to", multiplied by number of people who need to be trained.
- zihotki 3y agoIf they manage to do the training and onboarding within 4 hours then that may worth it (considering minimal hourly rate 12.41 euro per hour). That doesn't look realistic.
- steve1977 3y agoZero. Most of these people are probably not proficient in MS Office either. But since they are mostly not doing any real work, it doesn’t matter.
- 4878241143 3y agowhy not just use bc?
- jhgb 3y agoYou have to be at least 41 years old to remember that bc exists in the first place.
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- cbm-vic-20 3y agobc is the new thing. dc forever! (Though "modern" dc and bc are typically packaged together now.)
- gavinhoward 3y agoI'm less than 41, and I wrote a bc!
- ykonstant 3y agoHere is a setup I use to make `bc` more handy if you don't know how many computations you want to do in advance: alias bb='bc -l <<X' Now enter calculations and assignments one per line and enter X to exit.
- pjmlp 3y agoYou know to whom belongs many of the FOSS critical infrastructure projects nowadays, including some key CPython contributors, right?
- joostdecock 3y agoThe English summary focuses on the move from MS Office to LibreOffice (it's a post on the Document Foundation blog, so it makes sense that this is their focus), but the original German press release (1) lists 6 pillars: - Switching from Microsoft Office to LibreOffice - Switching the operating system from Microsoft Windows to Linux - Collaboration within the state administration and with external parties: Use of the open source products Nextcloud, Open Xchange/Thunderbird in conjunction with the Univention AD connector to replace Microsoft Sharepoint and Microsoft Exchange/Outlook - Conception of an open source based directory service to replace Microsoft Active Directory - Inventory of specialist procedures regarding compatibility and interoperability with LibreOffice and Linux - Development of an open source based telephony solution to replace Telekom-Flexport So it's a good bit more ambitious than replacing MS Office. (1) https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/landesregierung/ministerien-behoerden/I/Presse/PI/2024/CdS/240403_cds_it-arbeitsplatz.html https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/DE/landesregierung/ministe... (edited for formatting/typos)
- yourusername 3y agoOk now do the cost for moving all other applications from Entra/Active Directory SSO running on Windows to LDAP or some non MS Oauth implementation on Linux. I'm sure replacing all the legacy applications and retraining the government employees on their FOSS alternatives can be done but it's going to take years and burn many many millions in fees for IT suppliers and investigating alternatives. You really need to do it because of ideological considerations because i doubt you'll save a dime the first decade.
- rad_gruchalski 3y agoYou need python to do 3*61 and append four zeros to the result?
- CRConrad 3y ago> once Microsoft imposes the £61 annual [...] 30000*61 1830000 £1,830,000 for the first What makes you think Microsoft would invoice their customers in Germany in British pounds? Weird unit to use when commenting on an article about Germany on an international site.